Talk:Kosmische musik

Term

The term Kosmische Musik in the context of non-academical modern music.was first used by Edgar Froese. Brian W 23:58, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

where? (E-Kartoffel (talk) 10:13, 19 February 2011 (UTC))

Kosmische Musik and Krautrock

This article needs some improvements, also we should discuss if the two articles Krautrock and Kosmische musik have to be merged. --Doktor Who 02:21, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Tosh, complete and utter tosh

This article is a festering pile of steaming semi-solids. It is an OR piece written long ago by a single editor, with a few vague references tagged on from a single part of a single chapter of a single book. it contradicts itself throughout and I can only imagine it was written by a Tangerine Dream fan who had never listened to any of the other bands s/he namechecks. The entire explanation of a cultural movement expressed through music has been based on the 'beatless', droning synthesiser music of post–1973 Tangerine Dream, while conveniently ignoring every other band mentioned – Neu! and motorik, the cacophony and Kraut und Rüben of the Ash Ra's and Jokers, Faust and their cement mixers, etc. An absolute abortion of an article that should be merged into the (terrible) Krautrock article which should then be rewritten from the ground up. GwenChan (stalk) 14:35, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Do you feel you might want to be bold and just merge away? There's certainly a lot of tags in there as it stands. WikiuserNI (talk) 15:03, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

It was a redirect to Krautrock for 4 years, until earlier this year it was recreated with a summary: "restoring the article (it became a redirect arbitrarily and without any discussion)." I decided that I should attempt discussion to see if anybody strongly disagrees, rather than see the redirect undone. GwenChan (stalk) 15:07, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to second that this mixes everything up pretty badly, initially distancing KM from "Krautrock" bands then going on to list them within the article as part of the style, and not really explaining KM by itself. But then, I don't particularly like the "Krautrock" term anyway, it seems a forced imposition by British music journalists on any experimental rock music coming out of Germany from the 60s and 70s, including bands otherwise classed as psychedelic rock (early Amon Duul II), space/ drone/ progressive rock (and whatever Neu's motorik noise can be called) and purely electronic but still beat-driven (or not). So maybe a merge would be an idea so all these various German artists can be discussed together while making an effort to make them seem less homogenous, since they have very little in common beyond being German and progressive in one way or another. I'd help but my dislike of the term Krautrock kind of rules me out. Harshmustard (talk) 02:30, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Only a small portion of this article is sourced (and by a single reference) and it is difficult to understand. It is also NOT organized and formatted according to Wikipedia. The German Wikipedia has NOT an article for "Kosmische musik". Hum, I will try to improve the article in the next days, but I think that it will be very hard to do something good for it.
If someone wants to merge this article with Kraut rock, then remember that a merger is a non-automated process. You have to TAG pages with {{Merge to}} and {{Merge from}}, create a new section (code: == Merger proposal ==) on the proposed destination article's discussion page, and follow some other steps. Please see: Wikipedia:Proposing a merger and Help:Proposing a merger. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:42, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Agreed with the above, though I think an independent page for Kosmiche Musik should be retained. This era of German music constituted a huge step forward for German counter-culture, not to mention being extremely influential on European and eventually all music, psychedelic and otherwise. I'd love to help fix up these articles; I'd imagine sourcing from "The Crack in the Cosmic Egg" by Freeman, and maybe the Allmusic website, though I've never edited an article and feel like I'd at least need to learn more about the process before jumping in. In any case people are wanting a better article here, for those involved with editing it.--Pfoot (talk) 18:42, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Sheesh whatta mess! I'd say something missing from this article is the "Kosmische Musik" label info, as it seems like the label and the style of music sort of coalesced together. A brief list of the albums released on that label would be better than the mishmash of an article currently existing, imo. --Pfoot 00:39, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I don`t see why the articles should be merged. In the beginng the terms "Krautrock" and "Kosmische Musik" were indeed used as synonyms, the british press dubbed the entire new German music as "Krautrock" while the German press used the term "Kosmische Musik" or "Trance Music" for it. But that wasn´t the end of the story - later "Kosmische Musik" became a specific part of the "Krautrock-movement". The musical legacy of "Kosmische Musik" (mainly the "Berlin School" with artists such as Tangerine Dream, Popol Vu, Klaus Schulze, Ashra Temple) can be found in New Age Music, Ambient, Trance/Goa, Chill-out Music and to some extend in (Munich) Disco, while the term "Krautrock" includes bands such as Kraftwerk, Can, Neu!, La Düsseldorf (the "Düsseldorf School") which had nothing to do with esoteric music, they made urban, industrial (at time aggressive and noisy) music - their musical legacy can be found in Synthpop, EBM/Indusrial, (Post-/Electro-)Punk, Detroit-Techno, Electro and to some etend in Hip-Hop. To cut a long story short: We should improve the article instead of merging it.--Sushi Leone (talk) 09:16, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Please merge to Krautrock, yes. Looks like someone fell in love with the term Kosmische Musik and spread it all over wikipedia, whereever conceivably, remotely possible(E-Kartoffel (talk) 10:10, 19 February 2011 (UTC)).

Please merge to Krautrock, no The term Kosmische Musik describes a specific part of the "Krautrock-movement" which has a considerable music-historical relevance - so we should improve the article instead of merging it. (If you desperately want to merge it, it would make more sense to merge it with the "Berlin School" article)--Sushi Leone (talk) 09:19, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Please merge to Krautrock, yes I think the Kosmische Musik article over-reaches by trying to separate Kosmische from Krautrock, when I'd suggest that the terms are interchangable. I'm not aware that 'kosmische' refers to the spacier electronics (e.g. Tangerine Dream, Cluster) and that everything else dubbed 'Krautrock' is called... something else? I will admit to being a Julian Cope/Krautrocksampler disciple, so my viewpoint may be coloured his way. Adrian Hodges Cheltenham (talk) 22:09, 14 April 2011 (UTC) Adrian Hodges Cheltenham

"Musik" should be written with a capital letter

It is a German expression, thus it should be written "Kosmische Musik", also in the title. If "Musik" is written small, it looks like a misspelling for Germans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.159.248.237 (talk) 13:53, 30 March 2011 (UTC)