Talk:Katznelson

Latest comment: 1 year ago by DrKN1

The text that katzenelson comes from katzenellenbogen is given without source.

In fact, all Katzenelson's are Kohanim, and, all Katzenellenbogens are yisrael. Therefore katzenelson cannot come from katzenellenbogen. To claim otherwise, you have to have a very good source. Absent said sources, I am removing that part of the text.

Here is a link to Beryl's tombstone showing the designation "HaCohen" http://www.israelimages.com/see_image_details.php?idi=24205. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.12.114 (talk) 02:31, 14 September 2012 (UTC)Reply

Edits May 20, '16

Cleaned up the text to focus on the point, that paternal lineage is not the same. There are many authors who confuse these two families, and it is simply an impossibility.

These two famous families have been well known as Cohen (Katzenelson) and Israel (Katzenellenbogen) since the time family names have existed. Indeed in Wikipedia, the family Katzenellenbogen is said to be founded by Meir ben Yitzhak also known as the Maharam de Padua and he is not call Meir ben Yitzhak haChohen.

Whether or not the designation Cohen is considered by some to be valid going back to the first temple, is entirely irrelevant to this article and entirely irrelevant to the point that the families are not the same. It is sufficient that Katzenelson carries the designation, and that Katzenellenbogen does not and did not at the time that the family name was founded. Therefore the discussion about Cohanim and converts etc is removed for being irrelevant. It belongs in a different article.

This is to add my somewhat belated signature to the above two comments.DrKN1 (talk) 00:01, 7 March 2023 (UTC)Reply