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Orphaned references in Glen Jacobs

Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Glen Jacobs's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "gerweck":

  • From Lisa Marie Varon: "Gerweck Profile". gerweck.net. Retrieved 2007-11-10.
  • From Charlie Haas: "Charlie Haas". Gerweck. Retrieved 2007-12-02.
  • From Trish Stratus: "Gerweck Profile". gerweck.net. Retrieved 2007-08-06.
  • From Mickie James: "Gerweck Profile". gerweck.net. Retrieved 2007-10-18.
  • From Mike Knox: "Gerweck: Mike Knox profile". Gerweck. Retrieved 2007-10-27.
  • From Drew Hankinson: "Festus". Gerweck. Retrieved 2008-03-19.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 10:20, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Glenn Jacobs or Glen Jacobs?

Latest comment: 15 years ago25 comments10 people in discussion
The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was Google counts can be misleading, and no other reliable sources were provided by those who favor keeping it at "Glen", despite several, including a Federal campaign contribution form. Moreover, a misspelling of someone's name doesn't constitute a "common name", it's just a mistake. So, Move to "Glenn". (Thought I'd provide my rationale for closing this move in the face of consensus up front, to save the questioning later.) Parsecboy (talk) 13:18, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Both Glenn Jacobs and Glen Jacobs are used. Can anyone who knows confirm which is correct? 2ndAmendment (talk) 23:26, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Glenn Jacobs is a redirect to Glen Jacobs, so its only spelled with one n=Glen Jacobs. HairyPerry 18:23, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Since when does Wikipedia get used as a reliable source? See
One of the spellings is a typo. The question is, which one? Based on the federal campaign contribution (the last one), I'm requesting a change. 2ndAmendment (talk) 18:44, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

No Move: Glen Jacobs not Glenn Jacobs, as it is stated on multiple websites, I don't think that all the Wrestling websites are all wrong as well, I don't think so keep it here. HairyPerry 19:31, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

No Move: None of those stated above are reliable anyway. Adster95 (talk) 19:58, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't make me laugh. A federal campaign contribution form is not reliable? What do you want a birth certificate? Please. 2ndAmendment (talk) 20:01, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Comment While evidence may point to his real name being Glenn, his common name appears to be Glen. JPG-GR (talk) 00:14, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, his common name is Kane. It is clear that the websites that have him listed as Glen have no clue how Glenn is actually spelled, and never asked him. 2ndAmendment (talk) 00:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Commoner, whatever. I have no intention on stepping into the chaotic professional wrestling naming conventions. JPG-GR (talk) 07:00, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
The reason Kane always gets shot down is he has used many names other than Kane. Every article about him that uses his name explains that he is Kane. 2ndAmendment (talk) 02:26, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Oppose a move. If you want a reliable source I have several Power Slam articles which call him Glen. Darrenhusted (talk) 09:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Journalists make mistakes. All those articles are examples of that. For all you know they looked up Wikipedia to find out his real name, and that is why they are wrong. 2ndAmendment (talk) 02:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Nope, these articles are from before Wikipedia. They also spelt Mark Calaway correctly. In terms of most journalists the ones writing for PowerSlam do better research than mainstream journalists. Darrenhusted (talk) 09:13, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Oppose renaming. The stage name seems to be the one he is known by, not his legal name. See Wikipedia Naming guidelines. I agree with JPG-GR. --Bejnar (talk) 15:39, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Stage name? You mean Kane? That request has been shot down many times. This is a correction to his actual name, an error that was made who knows when by who knows who, who likely having been verbally told that his name was Glenn, simply misspelled it - as Glen may be a more common spelling for people named either Glen or Glenn. This one is named Glenn. 2ndAmendment (talk) 02:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment. This discussion was started because I was asked to correct the spelling of his name on Wikipedia by someone who said it was wrong. Being diligent, I looked into it and at first saw the same contradictory information that everyone has indicated, so I simply asked the question, does anyone know what his real name is? Later I found his campaign contributions to Ron Paul, from the article about him endorsing Ron Paul. Now it is no longer doubtful, and it is clear that anyone who has used Glen does not know how his name is actually spelled, which is Glenn, and that is what the article should say. How many other articles have peoples names misspelled? Probably more than a few, but we can only fix them one at a time. 2ndAmendment (talk) 03:02, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment. In 2005, WWE published a novel called Journey Into Darkness, with the main character Glen Jacobs Callaway becoming the wrestler Kane, with Mark Callaway (The Undertaker) as his brother. This removed an n from Glenn and added an l to Calaway, and may account for some of the origin of the "Glen Jacobs" misspelling of Glenn Jacobs. 2ndAmendment (talk) 22:24, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Sites that use Glenn instead of Glen 2ndAmendment (talk) 06:36, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

  • Wrestling's Most Wanted By Floyd Conner ISBN 1574883089 Pg. 114[1]
  • Hess for governor[2]
  • Wonkette[3]
  • Daily Paul[4]
  • Liberty Conspiracy[5]
  • TPW interview[6]
  • Yahoo answers[7]
  • See No Evil[8]
  • All experts[9]
  • NoDQ[10]
  • Scientific Wrestling[11]
  • Lords of Pain[12]
  • IGN[13][14]
  • Wrestling 101[15]
  • Center Stage Wrestling[16]
  • Max pages[17]
  • Online World of Wrestling[18]
  • Miami Herald's Jim Varsallone answers your pro wrestling questions[19]
  • UGO[20]
  • Mindbenders Wrestling Greats[21]
  • Bob Barr (libertarian presidential candidate)[22]
  • Joe DeRouen 1996 (when Glenn Jacobs was called Christmas Creature)[23]
  • PolitiFact[24]
  • Websters Online Dictionary[25]

Also, he is not really from Spain - he is what we call an Air Force brat - born to US parents in the Air Force stationed in Spain at the time he was born. 2ndAmendment (talk) 06:36, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

  • Support. Some journalists make mistakes, but that doesn't have to be reflected in Wikipedia. Thank you 2nd Amendment for digging up all the references. It's the federal campaign contribution that convinces me. Sam5 (talk) 08:56, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment, a Google search for "Glenn Jacobs" WWE gets 2,710 hits, while a search for "Glen Jacobs" WWE gets 36,300. The latter search on Google News also gets results from Miami Herald, SLAM Wrestling, MTV.com, movie reviews, Seattle Times, etc. Since there are reliable sources for both spellings we should keep the most common of the two, which appears to be "Glen". Nikki♥311 22:57, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
    I would not call anyone who misspells someones name a reliable source, because by definition they have made an error, and demonstrated their unreliability. Bear in mind that some of the hits are not referring to the wrestler, but a character in a novel, Glen Jacobs Callaway, which was apparently a combination of Glenn Jacobs and Mark Calaway, and published by the WWE. Since it is fiction, they apparently deliberately took an n off of Glenn and added an l to Calaway. You can add a note at the end of the article that his name has often been misspelled, but that should not appear in the lead section, as it would only add confusion. Please bear in mind that people actually use encyclopedias to learn factual information. Encyclopedias, magazines, books, newspapers can never change a persons name. Only that person can do that. The only question at hand is what is that persons real name? I maintain that it is undeniably Glenn Jacobs. Prior to December I had never heard of Glenn Jacobs or Kane. I was asked to change his name on Wikipedia because it was spelled wrong. The first thing I had to do is find out if I agreed that it was wrong, and I certainly do at this point. 2ndAmendment (talk) 01:44, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I remember someone saying that if we can't use his most common name or can't decide on his most common name we use his real one. Glen is more common, more Glenn's probably the real considering all those links. And WP:GOOGLEHITS. RandySavageFTW (talk) 18:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

His common name is Kane, his real name is Glenn. Kane is used for all his approximately 250 movie and TV credits, never Glenn or "Glen" (plus a few early ones for Diesel and his other wrestling names). IMDb has also been notified that they have misspelled his name and will be corrected as well. Just a comment, it has to be embarrassing to be a writer for a local newspaper (the Knoxville News Sentinel) to "authoritatively" (and incorrectly) state "The Insider would have loved to have seen Jonathan go up against Kane, who, in reality, is Jefferson County resident Glen Jacobs." Fixing Wikipedia will certainly avoid such embarrassments for many writers in the future. 2ndAmendment (talk) 04:24, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
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Introductory section

Latest comment: 15 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

The recent week-by-week additions by various editors regarding the Kane-Kelly Kelly storyline - to both this article and the Kelly Kelly page - has been frustrating for many editors. It has for me, too, given the policy of no week-by-week. However, it has got me to thinking about the introduction of the Glenn Jacobs article for some reason (don't ask what the correlation is).

I think the introduction should include something to the effect that Jacobs has wrestled using the Kane gimmick for 11 years, and the various storylines used revolving around the Kane character - that is, his relationships with his family (including most famously, his "half-brother" The Undertaker), his physical appearance, his mental stability, being the target of ridicule, and relationships with women.

Yes, I know that "unrequited love" would be one aspect of the "relationships with women" part, and invite possible week-by-week contributions by various editors (given the current Kane-Kelly Kelly angle), but remember those other storylines involving women (e.g., Lita and "Katie Vick").

To me, a good Wikipedia article requires an introduction that gives us an idea of what the article is going to be about. Yes, championships and other accomplishments are definitely important to include in the introduction of an article like this, but so is - in this case, and I'm sure a number of other professional wrestler articles - a brief overview of Jacobs' "Kane" gimmick, his best known.

Your thoughts? [[Briguy52748 (talk) 23:44, 7 January 2009 (UTC)]]

Thank you for your suggestion. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). iMatthew // talk // 00:01, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Lost taunt

Latest comment: 15 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

Can we get a source on him losing his signature taunt or is that just an observation?--Degenerate-Y (talk) 19:40, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, until we get a source, there's no reason to assume it happened at all. Tyciol (talk) 04:51, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Spanish vs American

Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I saw that this had been changed back and forth a few times, so I wanted to discuss it. Although Jacobs was born in Spain, he is American if his parents were American. Furthermore, if he was born in the hospital on the Air Force base in Spain, I believe that is still considered American soil. Somebody who knows more about the Air Force can correct me if I am wrong about that. The source provided doesn't specify exactly what his ethnicity is, so anybody who can provide some evidence either way...please do. Nikki♥311 20:46, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Fake Diesel

Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I've tried adding some notation that Jacobs is known to many fans as "Fake Diesel," not just as "Diesel." Both times my edits were reverted. If you look at the first reference next to the "Diesel" line in the infobox, it gives one of Kane/Jacobs' aliases as "Fake Diesel." Additionally, Fake Diesel is a redirect to Glenn Jacobs.

I propose changing "Diesel" in the infobox to "[Fake] Diesel". KuyaBriBriTalk 18:06, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

  • I'm not sure about replacing it, but if he was officially introduced as 'Fake Diesel' then you can certainly add it. I don't think what people are known to as fans would count as a ring name to list on the infobox if that's all it was though. We have a separate section in their description to list nicknames which this could be included as if we have a reference for popular fan usage of 'fake Diesal' though. Even if he was an imposter, if he was officially introduced as Diesel then it does need to remain in the infobox (the same as Mark-swoggle belongs in Mark Henry's)

Citizen X

Latest comment: 13 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I would like to know if anybody can link me to a citation for the "Citizen X" blog belonging to Glen (or indeed, Glenn)? I might be missing something fairly obvious but I can't see any evidence of his ownership. User:82.10.14.79 22:05, 12 April 2009

Seconded. It's mentioned on this page and on TV Tropes, with no source in either case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.45.229.234 (talk) 14:15, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

He avoided using his real name on the Blog, or the liberty radio underground podcasts, but he goes openly by both names on the tiny political show podcasts.--Pevinsghost (talk) 21:44, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Billed from Hell

Latest comment: 14 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

Why does the article say Kane is billed from hell? The ring announcers never awknowledge an actual place, and I've seen him being listed from 'Parts Unknown' many times in WWE video games, WWE magazine, other sources, etc. Tommyferrellhc08 (talk) 06:16, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

  • I'v heard 'Parts Unknown' used for the Ultimate Warrior, are you sure they repeated that usage for Kane? Seems kind of unoriginal. In either case sources are needed. They don't bill location much on live TV anymore so it might be necessary to go back to earlier viewings. Let's hope they show it this October during the vintage Halloween specials. Tyciol (talk) 04:47, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I think he is billed from Hell in the old WWF War Zone video game. 98.157.204.87 (talk) 01:02, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Bruiser Mastino in WCW

Latest comment: 11 years ago7 comments5 people in discussion

Why isn't this covered? Yeah yeah Hallick... sure Mick Hallick used the name in ECW, but Hallick is an obese, shorter man with strong facial hair. Watch Jacobs' match as Mastino against Sting in WCW, it's simply Glen Jacobs. There's no debate. Hallick is a different guy. When will it be introduced? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brendan Heron (talk • contribs) 23:55, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm introducing it, end of. It's a glaring gap in his CV, that's obvious. Brendan Heron (talk) 21:59, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
There's no source, so I have removed it. Please follow WP:RS. You are right in that there is no debate, except the no debate part is that unsourced info will NOT go in the article just because you think something is true. TJ Spyke 22:04, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't THINK anything. Brendan Heron (talk) 01:28, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Here and here are some sources. Unsure if any are viable, but I thought they might be useful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KKarvox (talk • contribs) 20:35, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

The sources need to be put in the section that mention Bruiser Mastino, as people will think that it's mentioning Mike Hallick.--Mjs1991 (talk) 10:45, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Nobody bothered to put it back up, yet valid sources. Well TJ you took it down, you can put it back. Majinsnake (talk) 06:09, 27 August 2013 (UTC)majinsnake

Eye

Latest comment: 13 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

Did he actually lose one of his eyes in real life? One of them seems to be damaged, I hope I'm not the only one that's noticed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.55.72.119 (talk) 18:22, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

ever think it could be contacts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.16.2 (talk) 00:59, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

His right eye is only a white contact lense to make him look scarier. If you look at old pictures of him when he appeared under different names, he has an eye. --Mjs1991 (talk) 00:06, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Finisher

Latest comment: 14 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

"Chokeslam from hell" I have never heard any announcer say that, should I edit it. --ShanRaj 10 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:57, 9 June 2009 (UTC).

I can't remember if its been called that, but i seem to remember someone, i think JR, saying "there's the Chokeslam, all the way from Hell", or something to that effect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.136.158.111 (talk) 19:50, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

They do call it the chokeslam from Hell very often - can recall JR and several others calling it that whenever Kane delivers it, perhaps because his chokeslams are more effective and powerful than Taker's. You can find several sources for the name on WWE.com Mayankeagle (talk) 08:08, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Kane in India

Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Is there a relieable source on Kane touring India? 84.69.241.233 (talk) 21:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Signature moves

Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

This is just a personal observation, but I've noticed he is using 1. the bearhug , and 2. Irish whip into corner, into Side walk slam alot during his matches. I know I need sources, I was just wondering if it's notable in his signature moves. KKarvox (talk) 02:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Date of birth

Latest comment: 14 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

The article lists two different date of birth. Which one is the right one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.134.17.90 (talk) 14:46, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

IMDB says 1967, which I think is correct. Several of the older WWE wrestlers seem to fudge their birthdate now they have passed 40 - Batista, Undertaker, Triple H. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.7.177.203 (talk) 01:23, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Height

Latest comment: 14 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

Why is he listed at 6´10", he´s legit 6´8" according to himself and 6´10" in his old big elevatorboots, just over 6´9" in his current boots! —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Specialist66 (talk • contribs) 11:00, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Black Knight

Latest comment: 14 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

If you look at the article for wrestler Jeff Gaylord, it is stated that some sources claim that Gaylord was the Black Knight at Survivor Series 1993 and that other sources claim that Kane was the Black Knight at Survivor Series 1993. References are given which support both claims. However, in the Kane article, it is unequivocally stated that Kane was the Black Knight with no references to the conflicting sources. For the sake of consistency and listing appropriate sources, shouldn't this portion of Kane's article be modified so that it reads more like the portion of Gaylord's article that discusses the identity of the Black Knight? 173.28.87.109 (talk) 01:34, 16 October 2009 (UTC)Ryan

It was not Jacobs, Gaylord played the Black Knight. What is stated on this page now is nothing more than an urban legend. DX927 (talk) 00:57, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Spaces between stage names

Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Is there a reason there's a blank line between Angus and Bruiser? Are the first 2 more notable than the others? I know Kane is but didn't know about Angus. Tyciol (talk) 04:44, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Kane' height

Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

y cant wikipedia just show da true height of Kane? y they r changing it timely?? I think 6'8" is his real height. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashiqul Islam (talk • contribs) 13:55, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Jewish

Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

i removed a sentence that claimed he was Jewish. whether he is or not it was un-sourced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.111.56.48 (talk) 17:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC) I doubt that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.217.109.112 (talk) 14:03, 28 November 2009 (UTC) Kane is Jewish according to www.imdb.com/name/nm0414417/. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Misterwalkthroughdud (talk • contribs) 01:46, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

ankel

Latest comment: 14 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

is the injury to the ankel serious the last part on wiki is vage —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.130.95 (talk) 11:28, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Undertaker "vegetative state" storyline

Latest comment: 14 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Ok, whoever wrote this piece wrote it like a piece of "cr*p". I mean, you can at least check your spellings/ grammar, form complete sentences and provide sources. For example, "vegetative" is slept as "vegative". The section ends with "It is rumoured that Kane is getting a major push. Since that was questioned and was asked by the WWE fan-base for a long time now." - you probably wanted to keep it one sentence instead of two (just put a comma instead of the full-stop/ period before since) - however, what is the source for this that its a part of a major push for Kane and its because the WWE fan base has questioned it for a long time? It might be right, but a source is needed. I'm going to remove this bit of information and correct the grammar in the remaining bit for the time being. Mayankeagle (talk) 13:14, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I loled when I saw you typed spelt as slept Answer: Ok here it goes: I only worte the Asked by the WWE-Fanbase part, the rest of the spelling was by some weirdo guy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.62.120.119 (talk) 19:24, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Kane Picture

Latest comment: 14 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Dont you think its about time Kane's picture change to a recent picture now with his new ring attire. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.86.4.176 (talk) 22:23, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

three time world champion

Latest comment: 14 years ago5 comments4 people in discussion

The WWE doesn't recognize any ECW champions as world champions they view it on the level of the US and IC Titles —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freshman5000 (talk • contribs) 03:32, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

See Talk:ECW World Heavyweight Championship#Was this considered a world_championship in WWE?. The ECW Championship was indeed a World Heavyweight Championship recognized by WWE. However, since ECW's finale, references to ECW aren't made anymore on programming. Its retconing and it's something Wikipedia doesn't do for the purpose of historical accuracy.--UnquestionableTruth-- 03:45, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

World Championships are not recognised by WWE.The only recognised world championships are the WWE Championship,WWE World Heavyweight Championship and TNA World Championship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tylerisafag (talk • contribs) 07:23, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Professional wrestling is not a sport. There is no authoritative or governing body in professional wrestling. Pro Wrestling Illustrated is only a magazine publication. It holds no power of official recognition over the championships of a promotion. WWE recognized the ECW title to be a world heavyweight championship throughout its existence until the discontinuation of the brand, which resulted in all references pertaining to ECW being removed from WWE programming soon thereafter. However as noted above, this is called retconing and it is something Wikipedia policy prohibits in this scenario for the purpose of historical accuracy. For more information see Talk:ECW World Heavyweight Championship.--UnquestionableTruth-- 08:53, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but did you just say that the WWE, WHC, and TNA championships are the only reconizged? Seriously? What about ROH, NWA, New Japan, CHIKARA, and Dragon Gate USA? WWE and TNA aren't the only wrestling companies out there, you know. SimonKSK 17:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

WWE WORLD & ECW

Latest comment: 14 years ago5 comments3 people in discussion

Kane is the only one to win all 3 major WWE titles WWE (WWE)World and ECW (although ECW isnt active anymore it still was a world title) Pig show won the WWE (WCW)World and ECW both Kane and The Pig Show are firsts in there own right but ppl keep saying that the Pig show is first on this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.222.227.22 (talk) 16:35, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean the Big Show? It is possible to make a point without being offensive you know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.133.47.146 (talk) 12:14, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

it was a typo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.222.227.22 (talk) 20:08, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah right, you "accidentally" typed Pig Show three times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Krtzone (talk • contribs) 20:40, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

yh sorry about that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.222.227.22 (talk) 14:43, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

"the first and only person ever to hold all three WWE world titles"

Latest comment: 14 years ago5 comments3 people in discussion

The WCW World Championship became an active world title in WWE when WCW folded. Combined with the WWE, ECW and WHC titles, that's FOUR world titles to exist within WWE (there may have been more in years gone by, I'm not sure). Kane never held the WCW title. Jplarkin (talk) 14:07, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

the WCW was murged with undsputed which became WWE title —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.222.227.22 (talk) 19:45, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

  • The wording is off but the three titles (WWE ECW and World) were sanctioned by WWE during Kane's reigns. Big Show's WCW title reign was not as it occurred in WCW. Now with the WCW and WWE titles being merged it isn't the same situation as with the Unified WWE Tag Team Championship, where both titles are essentially active and new champions are recognized in the histories of both the World Tag Team title and WWE Tag Team title.
  • With the WCW and WWE title unification all further champions are essentially recognized by the promotion under the WWE title's history. So while it is true that there have actually been a total of 5 world championships ever sanctioned by WWE (WWE, ECW, WCW, World, and WWF World Martial Arts Heavyweight Championship) with 2 of those (ECW and WCW) originating in separate promotions, they have each been sanctioned by WWE in different periods of time. (WWE and WWFMA during the 80s, WWE and WCW in 2001, WWE and World in 2002-Present , WWE, ECW and World in 2006-2010)
Well how would you cover it? --UnquestionableTruth-- 22:25, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Tombstone - Adopted from The Undertaker

Latest comment: 13 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion

Why is the Tombstone tagged with 'Adopted from The Undertaker'? Everything about Kane IS ADOPTED from The Undertaker, his entire moveset(except for the occasional dropkick and enziguiri) and mannerisms(especially the manner in which they no-sell, by sitting up) are all adopted from The old 1990s Undertaker. So with that in mind, can we just remove that label? Or label every single one of his moves as adopted from The Undertaker? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.108.192.9 (talk) 04:50, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

No, those are general moves. If for example a big boot Is labeled adopted from undertaker, then basiclye very wrestler that uses It should have It adopted from Undertaker, finishers are diffrent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.203.112.147 (talk) 11:01, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


You're missing the point, everything about Kane is based on The Undertaker of old, his entire moveset is a carbon copy(except for the occasional dropkick and enziguri), the flying lariat for example was one Taker's signature moves aback in his earlier days, the chokeslam and tombstone combination, in fact his original finisher was the tombstone, his mannerisms like no-selling with the 'deadman' sit-up, that's from the Undertaker too, his entrance taunt in which he summons flames and rids off the red lighting are in contrast to Old-School UT's lightning and blue lighting, so my point is that either every move and theatrical taunts that Kane does gets tagged with 'adopted from The Undertaker' or that we rid off the - Adopted from The Undertaker - tag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.68.59.72 (talk) 14:07, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Your missing my point too. That general moves do not need tags. But signuture/finishers/etc ARE required for a tag, but whya re we arguing anyway? It aint a big deal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.203.112.147 (talk) 12:09, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

First Masked World Champion

Latest comment: 13 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

First Masked World Champ?

Is it worth Mentioning he also holds the record for being the first masked world champion in WWF/E history, he said this of a radio interview and i checked it out and it seems to be right, anyone else think anything about it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.253.48 (talk) 16:14, 5 January 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.252.214 (talk)

If it can be cited with a reliable source... I guess.--UnquestionableTruth-- 01:39, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Spam on this page

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In the Return to SmackDown, face turn and various feuds (2009–2010) there is spam, something about dancing with punk and something else about triple h and chikens pleas will someone remove this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.252.214 (talk) 15:19, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Katie Vick

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"Katie Vick" redirects here but there's no mention or explanation. - furrykef (Talk at me) 00:59, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Picture of Kane with mask on?

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Every picture of Kane on this page has him without his mask. Is there one we can use where he's wearing the mask he first appeared in? Would be good for some variation and to show viewers what he initially looked like for a lot of his career in WWE. Sera404 (talk) 07:01, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

I think the page looks good without pictures of the mask, but thats just my opinion. Dr Eggman12 —Preceding undated comment added 11:09, 13 February 2011 (UTC).

It's not like I'm asking for the entire page to be filled with masks, just one pic of him with mask on to show his initial appearance. Could be posted in the "Feud with The Undertaker (1997–2000)" section. His uniform was different at the time too; he wore a top, if I can remember, haha. Sera404 (talk) 04:43, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm surprised there isn't one. For a lot of people it was his most distinctive (and just plain cooler) look. Somehow Kane's bald headed thug look never quite worked as well for me and my wrestling buddies 86.23.13.218 (talk) 09:44, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

ANOTHER RECORD

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He now holds another record, the first man EVER to enter a rumble at number 40! if no one adds this in i shall. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.146.34.100 (talk) 12:39, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Its already done. Thanks. Dr Eggman12

Vandlism on the Page

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User:76.19.209.206 has added a section about Masked Kane returning in 2011, this isn't true and he didn't add a link to prove it. Vince McMahon said that the Kane character has gone as far as it could go under the Mask. In a recent interview Glenn Jacobs (Kane) said that the WWE is about expressing emotion with the face and thought the mask had limitations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Eggman12 (talk • contribs) 21:20, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

And its been reverted.--SteamIron 00:12, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes I removed it, because the information that was wrote was false. Thanks Dr Eggman12 11:03, 27 February 2011

Kane hurts the Undertaker.

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Kane blamed Rey Mysterio for hurting Undertaker,but it was Kane who hurt the Undertaker. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mlatias (talk • contribs) 19:11, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Kane blamed Rey Mysterio for attacking Undertaker but it turned out it was Kane, but this storyline is well and truly over. Dr Eggman12 17:07, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Kane Image

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Why does everyone keep changing the profile picture of Kane, Leave it where he is at Tribute to the Troops 2010 event. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.78.85.147 (talk) 12:15, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Nah 188.222.227.22 (talk) 05:38, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Katie Vick

Latest comment: 13 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion

I see no mention of her on this page. Has it been censored by Vince McMahon? This was a key storyline with Kane feuding with triple H, and cited years later by CM Punk. Deserves mention. Bonechamber (talk) 08:11, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

If you feel the story warrants being added, why not write it yourself? There's always the chance someone will disagree and edit it out but that's how Wikipedia works sometimes. Why would you assume Vince McMahon has the time or desire to come to Wikipedia and censor anything? NJZombie (talk) 08:15, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Funny, Katie Vick links right to Kane. Go write it yourself if it isn't here. Vince has no power to censor the page here =P Wasn't the worst controversy about Triple H screwing a mannequin? Perhaps you should edit the Triple H page as well. Starship.paint (talk) 09:11, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
OK never mind, I found referenced stuff from 2008, I'll edit it back in for ya. Starship.paint (talk) 09:27, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

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Where kane is built from

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On ECW once, it said he was From Death valley.

I don't know if it's still like this, but when I watched wrestling a few years back they never said where, they'd skip his billing, and in the video games they just gave "parts unknown". --Matt723star (talk) 04:25, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

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Crop the image

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Someone please crop the image. 2.219.215.235 (talk) 13:33, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

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"Fake" Diesel (infobox)

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  • I've altered the infobox to display Jacobs' former gimmick as simply Diesel and removed the internal link to Kevin Nash. Reasons:
  1. Jacobs was billed by WWF as Diesel, not "fake Diesel" or any variation thereof.
  2. Diesel is a character owned by WWE. Jacobs' infobox should not link to the bio of another individual to portray the character (cf. Steve Keirn's infobox linking to Doink the Clown rather than Matt Bourne). To reiterate, Glenn Jacobs portrayed Diesel - he did not portray Kevin Nash.

ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 21:15, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

    • I do think that while fake might not be the word to use, it's worth pointing out that he was an imposter version of Diesel within the infobox. While he may not have been billed as such, it was an obvious point within the storyline that these were not the original people that portrayed the character first. In the case of Doink, changing the person portraying it was not done to prove a point or create a storyline. It was a matter of convenience for the WWF. So there's a bit of difference in the reasoning. Regarding the second point made, I can go either way. Initially, I left the hyperlink there because if someone unfamiliar with the subject wonders what Diesel is to begin with, they can follow the link to Kevin Nash, who played the original version, and see why Jacobs was the "fake" one. NJZombie (talk) 01:48, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Well, it's the convention that the infobox lists actual character names with further details given in the main body of text. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 12:41, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Kane's height in real life

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In real life I think kane's height is 6 ft 10.6 inches tall. Supermariokart64 (talk) 16:18, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Picture

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I think there should be a picture showing Kane either when he first debuted in Bad Blood, or just a picture of him in the ring from that ring/era, because all the pictures on the article show is him without a mask, and him with the mask in today's appearance, it doesn't give any visible insight to how he looked when he first entered the WWF/E back in 1997. --Matt723star (talk) 04:28, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Corporate Kane

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He is now known as Corporate Kane. Is everyone ok with me editing it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wyatt150 (talk • contribs) 04:36, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

There needs to be a source confirming that it's his new name. All I've seen so far are descriptions of him taking on a corporate persona, but not that his actual ring name has changed to "Corporate Kane". ... discospinster talk 05:05, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Kane's Corporate Return

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Kane returned later and attacked the Wyatt family on Pay-per-view, but following Raw called Stephanie and said, "This Monster is yours to unleash". Following Raw, Kane came out, to everyone's surprise in a suit, and was named the Director of Operations, reporting to The Authority, thus earning the title of Corporate Kane.


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Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2014

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After April 15th episode of Main Event Kane re-emerged masked and officially marking the return of the monster[1]. Kane attacked Big Show after his match. This took place between the ending of Main Event and the beginning of Smackdown's tapings. Troyl90 (talk) 15:39, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

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Move discussion in progress

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In wrestling

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Kane's basic attack was always a normal Uppercut. Please add the Uppercut to his signature moves in case I'm wrong that he's not using and here are the sources in case I'm right:

1. http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2014/11/07/22058841.html - Go down below to the last match and on the 2nd paragraph after the 2nd "(Commercials)" read the last line and you'll see " uppercut".

2. http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2014/03/04/21511506.html - This was the first match. Go down to the 5th paragraph after the 1st "(Commercials)", read the 7th line and you'll see "Bryan comes down on an uppercut that nearly gives Kane the victory." which Kane delivered the Uppercut if that line wasn't understandable.

3. http://www.wrestleview.com/wwe-wrestling-results/wwe-raw-results/49976-wwe-raw-results-8-4-14-live-results-from-austin - This was the first match. Scroll down a bit until you find "Last Man Standing Kane vs. Roman Reigns", read the 1st and you'll see "uppercuts" (Uppercut).

4. http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2011/07/23/pf-18459926.html - Scroll down to the 4th match "Kane vs. Randy Orton – Street Fight" and the 1st word of the 5th line you'll see "uppercut". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yveshe (talk • contribs)

@Starship.paint: Thanks! I posted another message at Batista's talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dave_Bautista and another request at Roman Reigns's talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Roman_Reigns "Yveshe (talk) 22:54, 24 February 2015 (UTC)"

Unabomb or Unibomb

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I am wondering if we could find a reliable source to solve this spelling issue.

The template currently says "Mike (Unabomb)" but it references his OWOW profile at http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/profiles/k/kane.html

This spells it with an I on the top-right and once within:

Unibomb (SMW)
April 7, 1995 – Bluegrass Brawl III: Al Snow and Unibomb defeated The RockNRoll Express in a “Coal Miner’s Glove on a Pole” match to win the tag team titles.

But then it spells it with an A in the Smokey Mountain Wrestling section 23 times.

Since OWW is not consistent about this, I am wondering if we could acquire some official SMW documents or maybe just footage where they might spell his name on screen to affirm the proper spelling?

Knowing where "Mike" was associated with this would also be interesting.

He was apparently billed as being from "The Land of the Giants" in SMW so that's other info I'd like to find. Ranze (talk) 03:32, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

i like like like

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kike name her i like kane — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.229.94.237 (talk) 21:27, 22 March 2016 (UTC) my name yordano santiago — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.229.94.237 (talk) 21:29, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

yordano santiago

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i'm a her kiki name her boy i now know you baby i miss you don;t got tv at this moment i love you don't qiut we could do it any time — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.229.94.237 (talk) 21:33, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

yordano eric santiago

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i know kane and i'm horny — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.229.94.237 (talk) 21:41, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Sources

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The sources are seriously lacking in the the "Personal life" section. These sources fall below standard for biographies of living people. Per WP:BLP:

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Here is what I found so far:
  • IMDB is not a reliable source in the first place - it is edited by anybody - and this sentence does not reflect what the source says anyway - remove sentence and source (see revision history).
  • National Ledger is not a reliable source WP:RS and is not useful for covering subject's politics per WP:BLPSOURCES - it is a gossip publication - high quality sources are required for WP:BLP (see revision history)
  • Free State Project [26] is a newsletter lacking editorial oversight for qualifying as a reliable source. Also, the link goes to the home page (or whatever) and I was unable to find any mention of Kane. In any case, a better source is needed.
  • Mises [27] was I don't know what, but the account is closed and it probably lacked editorial oversight.
  • YouTube [28] is not a reliable source, and I think this is well known.
And I removed the related content, because content in a Wikipedia article about a living person is supposed to be stringently backed up. I removed the "Bluehost, Page Not Found" source but left the content - the next source might be OK. It is not actually a reliable source per se, but it is a real estate magazine covering Kane as a real estate agent, so I'm going to give that a pass. Sorry about this. All the content can be restored once the individual claims have acceptable reliable sources. Steve Quinn (talk) 03:30, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Article name change to Glenn Jacobs?

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This might be premature, but with Mr. Jacobs making a serious entry into politics, not to mention owning an insurance company under his real name, at some point should we conciser renaming this article? BambinoPrime (talk) 15:39, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

His pre-Kane work on WWF television and pay-per-view (including Raw main events with Bret Hart, Undertaker and Ultimate Warrior and a title match at In Your House 12) would serve to strengthen the argument for an eventual move to Glenn Jacobs. 2A02:C7F:8E16:8300:A5D7:280A:E909:278B (talk) 16:06, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
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Infobox Picture

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Jacobs is now a politician running a serious campaign. If any of his potential voters become curious and search for him on Wikipedia, they'll see a guy in a hideous monster mask. Considering that he has also wrestled without his mask, and with different masks, I think it would be fair to change his infobox photo to a maskless one (perhaps this one: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Glenn_Jacobs_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg). I'm not overly familiar with Wikipedia standards on issues like this, so feel free to correct me on anything. Vavent (talk) 04:35, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Prior to his election, I don't think wikipedia should be a part in the promotional effort toward his election. The selection of the picture is part of the wikipedia voice. He has been known as Kane with the "hideous monster mask" for an extended career. If he is successful in getting elected, as with all notable subjects, he will have to surpass his previous known identity with the new role. We should discuss that later. Trackinfo (talk) 05:37, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
I get your point, and I thought of it myself, but Wikipedia also has a responsibility to not be damaging to real people's lives or political prospects. That's why, for example, there was such a long debate over which Donald Trump picture WP should use, even when it may have seemed insignificant whether he was smiling or not. Wikipedia exists to help people, and if it's damaging to a living person's reputation I believe that goes against policy here. Additionally, the current picture doesn't really tell us anything. It shows us what his mask looks like, but you don't see an actual image of his uncovered face until fairly far down, and even that is unclear and covered by makeup. But, all of that's just my two cents, and I can understand if you would rather keep the more commonly known image of him up. Vavent (talk) 18:06, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
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Kanenites

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https://youtube.com/?v=EWj_1tYI2Ug?t=2m0s should we mention Kane calls his fans this? ScratchMarshall (talk) 18:29, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

  1. ^ http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwemainevent/2014-04-15/kane-attacks-big-show-26238146
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