Talk:Jetty

French word

The french word for jety is jetée !

Bye

Fraal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.196.106.162 (talk) 21:54, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Out of date

As far as I know, in modern usage, a jetty is just a short pier. Is most of this terminological definition still accurate? Stevage 06:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

The first sentence is 70 words long. It reads like it was written 100 years ago because it was. The basic definition of a Jetty is buried in the second sentence. If anyone chooses to edit this article, I think if you just break the Dickensian meanderings down into sensible lengths the actual content will turn out alright. 218.102.23.80 10:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

There are too many run-on sentences in this article. Grammar and punctuation mistakes make it worse. 16:43, 14 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.113.199.242 (talk)

I have read the introductory paragraph several times, and I can't make heads or tails of it. It never says what a jetty is. The first sentence identifies a jetty as "any of a variety of structures"--that is awfully vague. It goes on to explain where one finds jetties and what they're made of, but it never says what exactly the thing is. Someone who knows what a jetty is (I confess I do not) needs to re-write that paragraph to open with a clear, succinct explanation. 67.189.76.144 (talk) 10:47, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

I wrote the previous comment (16 April 2011), and on a whim I just returned to this article to see how it stands. Unfortunately the monstrosity of a first sentence is still as ungainly and incomprehensible as ever, and the entire article still contains no whiff of a concise, readable definition. Just in case anyone out there is reading this, inquiring minds want to know: What is a jetty? Chalkieperfect (talk) 01:54, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Malecón

Malecón redirects here, which seems odd to me. I think of a malecón as more of a waterfront promenade. Any Spanish speakers care to comment? Rees11 (talk) 20:55, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Bad Habits?

Image caption reads: "These jetties mitigate bad habits of shifting sands ..."

"Bad habits" is anthropomorphic -- there must be a better phrase.

Karl gregory jones (talk) 21:50, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Small pier

According to the Oxford English dictionary, a jetty is a small pier. This article says different. Which is correct?--Jcvamp (talk) 15:43, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Mole/Jetty Merge Proposal

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Someone has put a merger proposal tag on the Mole (architecture). In view of the above points, as well as my own views infra, I'm against such a merger. For a starter, I agree that a jetty is a small pier. By contrast, a mole is a massive structure. A mole is a specifically combined structure of causeway and pier, and has nothing to do with being a breakwater, extending a river channel, etc. It's sole purpose is to enable docking of large vessels in deep water where extensive marshlands or shallows intervene. The usage also appears to have been peculiarly common in the San Francisco Bay. The articles should stay distinct, and especially so until this article has been edited further to conform with the emerging consensus as to the definition of "jetty". Tmangray (talk) 19:10, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

• I'd agree with no merge, but the Mole entry seems very much biased towards the Bay Area. It's a term used in a fair few European locales too; the article right now reads as if the first historical usage was San francisco, and I'd put a lot of money on that being not the case MadScot (talk) 00:25, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

They appear to be the same type of structure, but of different sizes; a mole being very large and jetty being smaller.

As they serve the same general purpose, I agree, they should be merged.

Mirwin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.18.16.98 (talk) 20:52, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

While I suppose a mole is a type of jetty, it is very different from other constructions. Most piers are mounted on piles while moles are usually solid stone, no water flows under them. There is no pressing need for a merge, I would be in favour of keeping them seperate. Moles could still be mentioned here as well if they really are classified architecturally as jetties (although I don't know if that is true). SpinningSpark 20:17, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

• I think Mole is important, because the word had a wide historical usage in Europe, as a word for a massive sea wall, based on the Latin word for the concept of massive pile. It comes from the same word family as Molar in chemistry (6x10E23). I do think the idea, and the etmology is important, because I personally don't believe the architectural concept is in anyway mutually exclusive of jetty and breakwater - and that is exactly why it needs its own article, to cover its various uses and instances.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Unoquha (talk • contribs) 19:13, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

• Let's close this one out now and remove the merge template. It's been open for seven months and attracted only one supporter, so there is no consensus for a merge. SpinningSpark 18:51, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

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Longest Jetty

The jetty at Smithton, Tasmania - used to load ships - was 1200m long.
What about a section/page for "Longest Jetties" ? Tabletop (talk) 06:17, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Jetty v Mole

The jetty is IIRC used to load ships and is built on stilts so that the ships can get close.

A mole is IIRC used to guide or block rivers and tides. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tabletop (talk • contribs) 06:26, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Proposed restructuring

The comments above show disagreement as to the size and nature of jetties, and this is reflected in various dictionary definitions:

• According to the Oxford English Dictionary (UK English):
  • A landing stage or small pier at which boats can dock or be moored
  • A breakwater constructed to protect or defend a harbour, stretch of coast, or riverbank

• According to Cambridge Advanced Learners Dictionary (UK English):
  • A wooden or stone structure built in the water at the edge of a sea or lake and used by people getting on and off boats

• According to Cambridge Academic Content Dictionary (US English):
  • A structure built out from the land into the water as a landing place for boats or as protection from waves

• According to Merriam Webster (US English)):
  • A long structure that is built out into water and used as a place to get on, get off, or tie up a boat
  • A structure extended into a sea, lake, or river to influence the current or tide or to protect a harbor

There are other, less ambiguous terms corresponding to the the various definitions — pier, wharf, breakwater, and so on. With that in mind, I would suggest that this confusing article be restructured as something closer to a disambiguation page. —Stephen Morley (talk) 16:31, 7 December 2014 (UTC)