- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. No consensus for the page moves at this time, at least in this local discussion. As a side remark, I've seen quite a few of these requested moves before. Consistency is always ideal, but many separate RMs isn't the ideal way to form consensus on how these types of articles should be titled. I'd recommend a wider RFC on the subject if broader change is desired. (closed by non-admin page mover) Steven Crossin Help resolve disputes! 01:31, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
– Per WP:NATURALDIS. The discussions at Talk:Statue of Benjamin Franklin (Stanford University), Talk:Bust of Benjamin Harrison, and Talk:Statue of Guy Lafleur show a general preference for the "Statue of XXX" format over the "subject (medium)" format. I should also note, there's an ongoing discussion here about the naming conventions for public statues. While some details are still being ironed out, I'm confident disambiguating by "Statue of X...", "Bust of X...", etc, will emerge as a preferred title over using a subject name then disambiguating by medium or location unless there's good reason. To the best of my knowledge, none of the nominated articles are about sculptures with multiple copies, so no need to worry about "Statue of X..." vs. "Statues of X...", which is still being discussed. --Another Believer (Talk) 01:48, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose, as the names of statues that are clearly named (such as Jean Drapeau) fit all of Wikipedia's titling criteria, have no need of added wording, and since they include the name with the simple 'sculpture' or 'statue' descriptor already make the titles as clear as possible with efficient brevity. Adding 'Statue of...' does nothing to further aid identification and needlessly removes the real name of the artwork. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:34, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose, per all of Randy Kryn's comment, but especially the last sentence. --В²C ☎ 22:34, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- Not really, there's nothing wrong with these titles, and better that some of the other ones return to their actual names. The hockey ones, for instance, should have really been kept where they were. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:39, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support, except for O'Higgins, which should be Bust of Bernardo O'Higgins (Houston) to distinguish it from the bust in Washington. Randy Kryn, have you looked into the evidence for the "real names" of these works? For the Drapeau statue, is the real name Jean Drapeau, as inscribed on the pedestal, or Monument à Jean Drapeau according to the (English-language) source given in the article? For the Holley bust, is it Holley (from the inscription), Alexander Lyman Holley (from a reliable source) or Alexander L. Holly Bust? If the inscription is right for the Drapeau, why not for Holley? Ham II (talk) 21:42, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- Ham II, Good catch! I agree re: O'Higgins. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:53, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- Nope, didn't check all the real names. If the real name is presently in the title, then they should stay as is. Otherwise the suggested wording is fine. Setting these precedents may well come back at the project when someone cites them in wanting to move such things as Moses to 'Statue of Moses'. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:36, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- My question was about how one determines the real name; you assume that the existing titles reflect this real name and that the proposed titles are moving away from it, but what is the basis for this assumption? Inscriptions for public portrait sculpture allow the viewer to identify the subject and are not necessarily evidence for an official title. The heading "Alexander Lyman Holley" on this web page performs the same function. Other reliable sources may have another variation again. Michelangelo's Moses isn't a public portrait sculpture. Ham II (talk) 06:39, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
- We should do our best to determine the real name and use that as the title, disambiguated if necessary. Making up a descriptive name for a title is fine for made up topics like “List of whatever”, but not for any topic that has a real name. —В²C ☎ 17:35, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
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