Talk:Il dio vagabondo/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: Ffranc (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: Otuọcha (talk · contribs) 23:45, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

It's wonderful and I approved to review this article. I am relatively a new user though I understood and have read almost if not all about editing and reviewing. This is also my first review and hope that I will do my best. I am happy to be reviewing this article and will ask almost in some basis. I also have a good knowledge of English language. I will be enquiring and be instructing on a better way which you can also agree or not agree with clear reason. Please do mark done, fixed or working at the end of any of my reviewing question and suggestion by placing ** under mine. I will mark done to generally accepted ones (e.g: the edit warring before adding to the "GAHybrid" down;

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

PROSE

Lead

• This part of the Lead said: ...is the third comic book by the Italian writer and artist Fabrizio Dori, published by Oblomov Edizioni in 2018. It was Dori's third comic book.: its just an additional split. Can be fixed to the first sentence on blue as here?All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 01:12, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Done
• Here in the lead also: Dori's influences include Friedrich Hölderlin, whose poem "Bread and Wine [de]" is quoted in the book: It gave more emphasis on the creator and I will suggest notability shouldn't be inherited from the creator. To be broad, I suggest this or related: The book was influenced by "Bread and Wine", a poem by Friedrich Hölderlin which was also quoted in it.All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 01:12, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Done

Background

• I am not fine with this source three. Skeptical of the "podcast journal" being relaible; the author is a contributor and it's an interview which per WP:INTERVIEW is not a source: Can find another source from a reliable one? All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 01:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
  • The podcast interview should be fine per WP:INTERVIEW and WP:PRIMARY. The interviewer and editor-in-chief are mainstream journalists. It's used to support what Fabrizio Dori says about his influences, intentions and techniques, which is reliable and relevant info when it comes from him. It's the most initiated source I've found about this and it confirms several things that reviewers only make guesses about. I added another in-line attribution.
• The background was a bit clustered with irrelevant. It centered more on the creator than the work. I am also not satisfied with the source1. Though it came from a reliable source but it's not a meet to notability: from Fabrizio Dori was educated at the Brera Academy ... to Paul Gauguin is a borderline. Source 2 have more information about the background: I suggest the above be removed with a few just about his painting which draws towards the "creation"All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 01:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
  • I removed info about his education and only kept the titles and years of the other books. Interviews are allowed as sources, as long as it is done carefully. We can't use them as sources for credentials or reception, but that is not the case here.

Plot

• What exactly was/or was it to be that way?: sells divinations in the plot All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 01:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Added a little.
• Again here He wandered the world alone for many centuries, doing what hearing claims that the gods were replaced by a single god and that Pan was dead.: please add why he was wandering the world. Though I can see that earlier but you need to put it again. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 01:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Added

Techniques and themes

Grammar

• Dori names Friedrich Hölderlin as an influence and Hölderlin's poem "Bread and Wine [de]" is quoted in Il dio vagabondo.: falls not neutral. Best fit: Il dio vagabondo was named after Friedrich Hölderlin's poem "Bread and Wine"–No need of including influence#repetition of "Background". All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 02:24, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
  • I shortened it down, but the title does not come from the poem. Some lines from the poem are just quoted inside the book.

Reference

• And the citation 4 is also an interview. Please find another source! All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 02:27, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
  • The interview with Dori is used for relevant info about his own influences, so it's within what WP:INTERVIEW allows. It's more reliable than a secondary source would be here.

Publication

Reception

• Tonio Troiani of Fumettologica called Il dio vagabondo an improvement from Gauguin: The Other World, because it manages to be a solid work without being disturbed by its technical refinement and many references. Troiani wrote that it combines Dori's three passions—art, classicism and pop—and retains a lightness despite its postmodern games, resulting in a comic that recalls the works of Hayao Miyazaki and Baru [fr; it].[2] Troiani wrote that its treatment of divine beings and modernity is reminiscent of Neil Gaiman's American Gods and Martin Heidegger's theology in the interview "Only a God Can Save Us: can be made clear. I am not in support of the spreading writing (segmental even). Just pick the major acclaim for the book.
  • Tonio Troiani reviewing/writing for Fumettologica called the book, an improvement from Gauguin: The Other World.He wrote that the book manages to be a solid work without being disturbed by its technical refinement and many references. He wrote that it combines Dori's three passions; art, classicism and pop and still retains lightness despite its postmodern games, resulting in a comic that recalls the works of Hayao Miyazaki and Baru [fr; it]. He also praised the book as a reminiscent of Neil Gaiman's American Gods and Martin Heidegger's Only a God Can Save Us (you can copy this one. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 03:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
    • Done

STABILITY

• I can't find any edit warring or vandalism. I am passing on sheet.
•  Done–adding to table. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 00:56, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Image review

• The image of the poet is fine but can there be another image, maybe of the poem? If not, it's well just the caption. Change Friedrich Hölderlin's poem "Bread and Wine" from 1801 is quoted in the book to Title originated from "Bread and Wine", a poem by Friedrich Hölderlin

Some lines from Friedrich Hölderlin's poem "Bread and Wine" are quoted in the book.

Thundering they approach. And meanwhile it seems to me often
Better to sleep than as now to be so companionless,
Waiting like this; and what’s to do and to say in the meantime
I do not know, and what poets are for when times are hard.
Yet they are, you say, like the holy priests of the wine-god,
Moving from land to land, on through the holy night."

— Quoted lines from "Bread and Wine",
English interpretation by Susan Ranson [1]

• The book is not named after the poem; see above. I don't know about having the poem as a picture. I tested using {{stack}} and {{poem quote}}, but it becomes too crammed and too much.

• • Don't worry about the date and remove the citation: it's not needed.All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 02:17, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
    • Done
• The lead image File:Il dio vagabondo.jpg bears no caption. Please add (can be the book cover of ....All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 02:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Done

Critical assessment

• You seemed to be using a default of present tense while the book was published in 2018. Please fix the places and do ask to map out.All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 02:36, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Not sure what you mean here. Should I change the tense somewhere?
• There is case of copy Vio from this report by a detector. Marking pass.
  •  Done

References: general layout

• I am doubtful of using sources from Amazon like you did in source 9, 11, 12 and 13. Please change to a better source or even remove when none is found. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 02:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
  • WP:RSPAMAZON says: "Amazon is a reliable source for basic information about a work (such as release date, ISBN, etc.)" It's used here for release dates, and since it's the only English-language source I could find, it's preferable per WP:RSUEC.

Thank you for the review, Otuọcha. I have addressed each of the points above to the best of my capability. Ffranc (talk) 15:00, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Special note

• I have checked the images and they all beat good ones and (alt): just a suggestion.
• Well written
• The ref layout was super and per review above, the Amazon link is cited well. No fault.
• It's broad and focused on the book
• No issue of WP:NPOV
• No Copyvio, checked per copyvio detector
  • After this clear need, I found no reason to hold the article. Once more, bravo to you Ffranc; and keep up the good work. I will also advice more work even for FA. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 14:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC)✓ Pass

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