Talk:Humboldt

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Go to the following for original writings by Humboldt:

http://www.geocities.com/patnoble52/humboldt.html

In Our Time

The BBC programme In Our Time presented by Melvyn Bragg has an episode which may be about this subject (if not moving this note to the appropriate talk page earns cookies). You can add it to "External links" by pasting * {{In Our Time|Humboldt|p003c1c2}}. Rich Farmbrough, 03:15, 16 September 2010 (UTC).

  In Our Time indeed has Humboldt program, which belongs not on the accompanying Dab page, but on surely on Alexander Humboldt. Since i can't edit and view the ... oh, wait, i can! ....

Oh, me LIKE cookies! OK, the template needs to go to the corresponding talk page, and .....?? OK, i think i get it, i'm gonna paste on the talk page, and it's no doubt going to notice i did what i was told and maybe ask if i'm sure it's the right place. Hey, wait, earning cookies is one thing, but getting them is another (which is pretty much the same as eating them)....Hmmmm, let's copy and paste to talk:alexander Humboldt, no talk:alexander von Humboldt

The BBC programme In Our Time presented by Melvyn Bragg has an episode which may be about this subject (if not moving this note to the appropriate talk page earns cookies). You can add it to "External links" by pasting * {{In Our Time|Humboldt|p003c1c2}}.

OK, looks like it probably works like intended, and it says i can "change [my] cookie settings", which must be how i get my bonus!

Actually, maybe not; my preview shows it making a change, but one made looking different from, and perhaps made redundant by, the link to the IOT program in the Miscellaneous section; i didn't save the edit that would have added to the article the template i moved from talk:Humboldt. Will note this at talk:alexander von Humboldt#In Our Time.
--Jerzy•t 12:40, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Wretched entries

   There's high likelihood that the relationships among some entries and the inclusion of likely insignificant entries on the accompanying Dab page reflect a colleague's commitment to exploiting the Dab page as a list, as exhaustive as possible, of Humboldtiana. There's a correspondingly high likelihood of entries like

• Humboldt Peak (California), a California peak in the Lassen National Forest at 40.150341°N 121.429825°W / 40.150341; -121.429825
  • Humboldt BM, a California benchmark peak west of Humboldt Peak (California) at 40.147192°N 121.465187°W / 40.147192; -121.465187

(which appear in consecutive entries, formatted that way) being too obscure to serve any purpose other than having such a list on WP -- or making more feasible a pilgrimage including, for instance those two peaks, apparently otherwise insignificant (and lower than the nearby Mt. Lassen by about half their own heights). The terms "peak" and "summit" reek of worthy challenge until one recalls that they just mean a place from which there's nowhere to depart to -- except "downhill from here" or into a helicopter. The benchmark in question, for instance, surely has that name only bcz it's a useful peak to use as an aid in measuring the nearly equally un-notable peak, two miles away, named after the same guy. (He, let it be said, was an exceptional titan in the rise of modern civilization.)
   (Having drawn attention, perhaps, to the template:coord that bring each entry up to one blue and one "bluish" link, permit me to note that i stand prepared to defend (despite the lack of a specific guideline) any Dab page entry that has such a pair of "live" links, as constituting a valuable feature for Dab'n of geographical locations.)
--Jerzy•t 16:56, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

   I think i failed to note that

1. the "bluish" links are not to WP articles, but to rows in a WMF table of links into geo-coordinate-indexed map servers, and
2. even the orthodox choice of a link-type (blue link) to Lassen National Forest does not meet the requirement that a Dab-entry's blue link be to an article that has information about the name that the Dab pg disambiguates: in this case, that is:

Lassen National Forest not only fails to add information about that peak, it doesn't even mention Humboldt Peak's existence, let alone provide a RS for the info (geo-coord) that appears on the Dab page, as i think it is fair to say is implicitly implied in the Dab'n-facilitating info that we both tolerate and expect on Dab pages.

   Thus i conclude that (while the coordinates in a Dab entry can aid the task of Dab'n for some users) we should take seriously the clear principle that a blue link to an existing WP is necessary for every Dab entry, and neither a red link for a future WP article nor a link beyond WP (nor the combination of the two) is sufficient to justify a Dab entry: every Dab entry requires a link to an existing article on the same Wikipedia.

   (My opinion is that in the long run we should probably make it clear that geocoords can appear only on the talk page for the Dab or for the blue-linked article until they are reliably sourced on the blue-linked page.)
   In the case of the accompanying Dab, i'm removing or commenting out Dab entries with no blue link to a WP article, and leaving alone the geo-coord links, pending wider discussion.
--Jerzy•t 23:09, 8 August 2016 (UTC)