Talk:Human-powered transport

Rickshaw counts?

Hi folks, Wondering if rickshaw (traditionally popular in several Asian cities) counts as "human-powered" land transport? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.14.254.30 (talk) 07:45, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

SUMPA claim

The SUMPA claim is disputed. See "TIME Article"., "IHPVA Document" (PDF). --Thisisbossi 03:51, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

• Neither of the two references cited in the article mentions a date of March, 1937. The Time article does claim Sept. 13, 1936 as the first flight date. --Wiley 02:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

• • I have an obituary that provides the flight date and could scan that in, but I am unsure of the newspaper source that it comes from. I'll see about uploading that as soon as I can verify licensing/copy info. --Thisisbossi 11:31, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Recumbant

• The posted statistics for recumbant bikes seems out of place. I would prefer to spend more space on how common HPV / bikes are, rather than supralatives on fringe HPV.
• One interesting chart:

http://www.earth-policy.org/Indicators/Bike/Bike_data.htm#fig2; it compares bicycle versus automobile production, showing the much higher bicycle production.

• And from that to this source:

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/08/the_bicycle_is.php (original graph: http://www.princeton.edu/~ina/infographics/transportation.html) -- bikes are the most used transportation vehicle in the world

• More perspetive on world bike use: http://www.cicle.org/news/earth_talk.html

• However, separate articles about fringe HPV could easily include:
  • helicopters http://www.calpoly.edu/~wpatters/helo1.html
  • submarines- http://www.sections.asme.org/sandiego/HPS2004/hps2004results.htm.

--User:Geoave

Efficiency

If I remember correctly, the bicycle is the most effcient transfer of human energy, with a loss of something like 2 or 3 percent. I think this info should be added but I'm not sure of its authenticity of the percentage of energy loss and I couldn't find any reaserch on the internet. Please help. --AidanPryde 11:30, 12 Jun 2006 (UTC)

• According to the bicycle article: "Fixed-gear track racing bikes have transmission efficiencies of over 99%"--Wiley 16:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
• Link to another aricle on efficieny - http://www.sdearthtimes.com/et1199/et1199s13.html --User:geoave

Land Speed Record behind a pace vehicle

The Dutch version states that Fred Rompelberg holds this world record from 1995 (268.831 kph) and other internet sources seem to back this up.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Rompelberg EdX20 19:20, 18 February 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by EdX20 (talk • contribs) 19:18, 18 February 2007 (UTC).

hpv speed record information needed

there doesn't seem to be a wikipedia page for the land speed record for human powered vehicles. This page should at least mention it / them (eg records for paced / unpaced, recumbent, wedgie etc) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stib (talk • contribs) 02:25, 6 May 2007 (UTC).

Speed records in own section

The information about the speed records should I believe be placed in their own section (the article is about human-powered transport, not physical achievements).

Also, can someone please remove that silly picture about a sherpa carrying wood in the Andes (or atleast place it in the "sheer muscle power"-section). It's not representative at all to place it at the top to guide the "human-powered transport"-article (which is about transport.

Thanks. 87.64.192.70 (talk) 08:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Walking across a distance while carrying

The word transport is derived from the Latin trans ("across") and portare ("to carry"). The photo of a human carrying cargo while walking across a distance is in the introduction because so many editors have disrespected walking as a form of transport. Quoting from the introduction: "...human-powered transport has existed since time immemorial in the form of walking..." --Wiley (talk) 13:12, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

human car

shall this be added as a prototype or i it still to early ?

http://www.humancar.com/index_home.html

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=369463415941480101&q=humancar

what do you think? -Stefanbcn (talk) 23:48, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Questionable Watts

A sprint after 5 hours of cycling and a non-vehicular sprint are both labeled as 1700. MadCow257 (talk) 20:23, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

The reference for the walking and running power is no longer functioning. Also, I strongly suspect that those numbers are calculated based on rate of calories burned rather than power output. The human body is not 100% efficient so the two numbers are not the same thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ejensen6 (talk • contribs) 19:38, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I have fixed the broken link by finding the archived page on Archive.org, although I am not sure if it supports the point or not. - Ahunt (talk) 13:40, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Grouping

The list of HPVs is currently alphabetical. However there are related types of vehicle there (wheeled, on water, on snow/ice). I suggest we group related types. 58.152.91.163 (talk) 11:24, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Pedal powered 4-legged vehicle

I once saw a 4-legged pedal powered vehicle in a commercial. Not sure of name/designer. Seemed old, and was made similar to a stepping machine (ie the person himself presses 2 boars below the feet in an alternating motion, due to the alternating of the person, the legs are also powered in an alternating fashion, propelling the vehicle. Quite simple, yet worth noting nonetheless 91.182.249.10 (talk) 12:24, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

If you have a reference then it can be added. - Ahunt (talk) 14:36, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Merge

I suggest merging Self-propelled travel into this article. That article appears to be a fork of this and overlaps substantially the same subject. I don't see any real evidence that there's a meaningful distinction between the phrases either. Notably, there's very little in that article itself. At best it appears to just be a neogolism describing all self-propelled recreation. Shadowjams (talk) 04:25, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

That makes sense to me! - Ahunt (talk) 10:41, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

This discussion seems to have reached a consensus, do you want to carry out the merge then? - Ahunt (talk) 12:17, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

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Sport or transport?

Should sport be included here? Is it sufficiently related to transport.--Darrelljon (talk) 11:24, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

This article is about transport, not sport. We have various article such as cycle sport. - Ahunt (talk) 12:23, 20 September 2019 (UTC)