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Notability edit
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Per WP:NSONGS, "Songs and singles are probably notable if they have been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the artist and label."
. Catch Me in the Air and This Hell doesn't satisfy that condition. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 14:50, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose merging: (as article creator): My rationale here. TL;DR- Some sources go in depth (meets GNG), many sources write a sentence or two (meets BASIC). Thank you. —VersaceSpace 🌃 15:27, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- @VersaceSpace: What are you opposing, exactly? This isn't a vote as to whether we should keep the article or not. Oh also, "the songs did chart"...yes, on one component chart that isn't even the main chart of a country. Japan Hot Overseas is what non-Japanese language songs are selling the best in Japan, not even the overall chart, so that really doesn't contribute anything towards their notability. In future, you should demonstrate the notability of these songs by incorporating these "in-depth" sources you speak of before you actually create articles. Crazy concept, I know, but it's what WP:NSONGS states. Ss112 23:01, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- Per the large yellow message on both articles:
It has been suggested that this article be merged into Hold the Girl.
I oppose that. Your opinion on what charts confer notability is inconsequential to me, there's clearly enough sources for these to have their own articles. —VersaceSpace 🌃 03:15, 31 July 2022 (UTC)- Awesome. The fact remains Lil-unique1 didn't mention the proposed merges in this thread specifically, so it's not a formal vote. You should probably change "Oppose" to "Oppose merging" to make it clear what you're referring to. Ss112 05:57, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Fixed. —VersaceSpace 🌃 12:53, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Awesome. The fact remains Lil-unique1 didn't mention the proposed merges in this thread specifically, so it's not a formal vote. You should probably change "Oppose" to "Oppose merging" to make it clear what you're referring to. Ss112 05:57, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Per the large yellow message on both articles:
- @VersaceSpace: What are you opposing, exactly? This isn't a vote as to whether we should keep the article or not. Oh also, "the songs did chart"...yes, on one component chart that isn't even the main chart of a country. Japan Hot Overseas is what non-Japanese language songs are selling the best in Japan, not even the overall chart, so that really doesn't contribute anything towards their notability. In future, you should demonstrate the notability of these songs by incorporating these "in-depth" sources you speak of before you actually create articles. Crazy concept, I know, but it's what WP:NSONGS states. Ss112 23:01, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose merging: "This Hell" already has plenty of coverage that should cement notability (NME, NPR, The A.V. Club, Variety, and I bet there's more where those came from) and "Catch Me in the Air" already has several sources plus available pages from Rolling Stone, Pitchfork, and Stereogum. QuietHere (talk) 11:49, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose merging: per QuietHere's points. PopLizard (talk) 07:46, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose merge. ---Another Believer (Talk) 03:30, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose merge. To make it clear, I never supported merging (I initially doubted whether or not the first two singles were very notable, and I still believe in their first form they weren't). Even with that being said, I definitely wouldn't support merging their content into this expanding article now. Ss112 06:45, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.