Talk:Havyaka Brahmins

Similarity with Tuluva Tale

I found significant similarities between Tuluva history (!!) with that of Havyaka. Tulu script Tigalari has been found in significant numbers in present day Havyaka populated areas of Shimoga. In that case, Havyaka language would be more of a mixture of Tulu and Kannada rather than a dialect of Kannada. http://www.boloji.com/index.cfm?md=Content&sd=Articles&ArticleID=860

216.75.212.7 (talk) 00:56, 23 January 2014 (UTC) Adi

Tuluva history is prominently of sthanika tulu brahmins having an history from 380 BCE.When havyaks came in later part of 9th AD these cultural admixing is seen. Shivashambo (talk) 09:42, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

All the tiglari script manuscripts are in tulu language of sthanika tulu brahmins and not in haiga kannada. Shivashambo (talk) 09:47, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Havyaka

havyaka and brahmin are almost as synonymous as iyers and brahmins. and yes,they speak a pure form of kannada. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayanthv86 (talk • contribs)

Havyakas are a distinct community. Unlike other castes, they have a distinct and powerful dialect with close resamblence to Tamil. This should not be merged with caste. This should remain here.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.85.127.139 (talk • contribs)

If the page is about Havyakas, then it should be part of the category caste. The problem is all of Havyaka Kannada speakers are Brahmins, which is definitely a caste identity. Let's consider another dialect of Kannada, Kunda Kannada. This dialect is spoken by all the castes in Kundapura. So if you are writing an article about Kundas, then it's about a community that speaks that language. However, speakers of Havyaka Kannada are Brahmins and in perspective a caste.

However, I would like to see more information on topic. Like description of Havyaka surnames. I hope there would be more research on the surname 'Bhatta'. From Kashmiri muslims to Kerala Brahmins (Bhat), this has a long continuous journey.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.196.161.251 (talk • contribs)

No haiga kannada is also spoken by halakki gowda jananga of sagara Shivashambo (talk) 09:43, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Prominent members

Prominent members: It has been advised not to publish the list of Prominent members in the Havyaka Brahmin Wiki page. This item needs to be deleted because there are hundreds of prominent persons/people in this community and we just cant name a few. It will also create controvercy. So better delete it. If anyone wants so then they can create a separate page with a heading like Prominent members of Havyaka Community and so on. (Bharathiya) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bharathiya (talk • contribs) 10:59, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

No need to delete the list. it is a part of structure. if you think there are hundreds of prominent peoples please add their name to the list. C21K^talk 10:37, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

It is against the policy of Wikipedia to accept anything without any third party reference. "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable" As far as I understand third party references are rarely available to many Havyaka Members. Further as I can see that many have put like "Leading Agriculturist". In that way all the Havyaka' stand to be called as Leading Agriculturist. So I would appreciate if you create entirely another page of Prominent Havyakas and link to this page. It looks odd. Featuring only a few is a great injustice to others and featuring everyone is not possible without third party references. I repeat there are hundreds of prominent persons/people in this community and we just cant name a few. Please understand the seriousness. Bharathiya --Bin (talk) 05:24, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

My answer is same as i said above. if you think there are hundreds of prominent peoples please include there names. removing the entire list is not allowed. C21K^talk 02:10, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

If there are more than 100 prominent havyaks, please add them to list and please do not remove the added prominent havyaks from the list. Will any body explain the logic behind adding the name of Kota brahmin Mr.Harish Hande under Havyak brahmins ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramachandrap1983 (talk • contribs) 10:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes u r right. Harish Hande is a kota brahmin. it was added by user 'Bharathiya'[1] he should expalin this. C21K^talk 03:30, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

How are havyakas related to Bhumihars in UP and Bihar??

There is a line saying that havykas are same as bhumihar brahmins in UP and Bihar. Is there any document or proof related to tis statement exist? Looking forward!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skpandey (talk • contribs)

All implicated guessess Shivashambo (talk) 09:44, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Retain wiki notables

They are approved by wiki. Notable is a reserved work on wiki. If you think there are so many, I ask you to write them on wiki and wiki consensus will decide whether they are notable to wiki. There is a difference - notable to wiki and notable to someone (It has to be proved to wiki, not to some individual). You may delete them who are not notable on wiki. I suggest you to look into the notables from the other articles. Thanks.

--Athos, Porthos, and Aramis (talk) 16:19, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I fully agree with you. I have no objection to place the names of those who are notable to wiki. But I have strong objection for those who just go on placing their names without any third party reference. Anyway I value your suggestions and Thanks for the same. --Bin (talk) 10:41, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

All those names who are not considered as notable on wiki or those without reference and which are not as per wikipedia standards will be deleted. So it has been requested with all those to give proper reference, citation while adding the name/s to the list of prominent members.

--Bin (talk) 04:18, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Girish Kasaravalli

Is Girish Kasaravalli a havyak? in one interview kasaravalli said K. V. Subbanna is his uncle (father's brother). someone confirm it. C21K^talk 13:48, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes. He is a havyak. As I know, his mother and K.V.Subbanna's wife are sisters.Gmjoy (talk) 06:02, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Please create article about these havyaka personalities to meet notability

hi according to wiki policy only people with articles are notable add these personalities in notable category only after creation of article.

• Shankar S. Hegde - Management Consultant
• Geeravani Shreekant Hegde, Anthravalli [2] - Sanskrit teacher. Successful Multi-level marketing genius. Editor[3] of "Havyaka" monthly magazine. Closest advisor of Sri Sri Raghaveshwara Bharathi Swamiji
• Divaspathi Hegde - Well-known Kannada litterateur
• Hemanth Hegde - Kannada film director
• Sediyapu Krishna Bhatta - reknowned poet, story teller, philologist, lexicographer and a great scholar in Kannada. Recipent of Pampa Award.
• Gajanana Sharma - Kannada writer
• Kageri Vishweshwar Hegde- Minister for Primary and Secondary Education, Government of Karnataka
• Mena Ramakrishna Bhat - a Sanskrit scholar
• Dhananjay Hegde - Hindustani vocalist
• P. Gopalakrishna (Pa. Go)- Journalist and Columnist from Mangalore. Pa.Go was instrumental for having Yakshagana in Dasara Festivities as regular feature by taking the coastal Yakshagana to Mysore Dasara in the Year 1955.
• Adyanadka Krishna Bhat - Noted Science writer, Retired professor of Physics in Vijaya College, Mulki (DK). He is the first person to publish a magazine in Kannada exclusively for popularizing the science. The magazine 'Vignana Loka' originally published as quarterly magazine was his brain child. He is the national award winner in the year 1996 for popularizing science.
• D. N. Shankara Bhat - Kannada writer
• Chittani Ramachandra Hegde - Yakshagana artist
• Varanasi Subraya Bhat - founder-president of CAMPCO
• T.Madiyal (Thimmappa Madiyal)- Retired IPS officer, who was Bangalore Police commissioner when Raj kumar was abducted. He later became DGP of Karnataka.
• Vidwan Gajanan joshi- Hindu priest - Person stained with bad Karma
• Vidwan Nadahalli Ranganatha Sharma- Sanskrit and Kannada scholar
• Sri Gangadharena Saraswathi Swamiji- Swarnavalli Mutt pontiff
• Aedurkala Shankara Narayana Bhat
• Anant Mahadev Bhat Devanimath
• Kadave Shreepad Hegde

Linguisticgeek (talk) 10:26, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

References

Relation to namboodiri Questionable

Relation to namboodiri brahmins is questionable since nambi the most orthodox of all brahmins consider all other brahmins inferior to themselves.they only relation they reluctantly agree is with the shivalli brahmins of tulu nadu who are also in kerala around trivandrum and are called erabrandiri. Linguisticgeek (talk) 10:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

havyaka population

I have understood that havyaka popultion is three lakhs referring to the book 'havyakara ithihasa Dharshana' by H.M.Thimmappa of page no 255. Vidyu44 (talk) 07:35, 18 March 2014 (UTC) Vidyu44 (talk) 08:59, 18 March 2014 (UTC) I have reedited the population as six lakhs, as per instructions of the writer Shri. H.M. Thimmappa, Kalasi, Sagar. 117.228.194.178 (talk) 14:59, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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Among prominent havyaks you have forgotten to add M.Mariappa Bhat, also known as 'Kannaddada Kittel'.

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Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2023

Havyak Brahmins are Aryan Brahmins and there origin from Uttarakhand and Uttar Pradesh

They have surname bhat,hegde,dixit Joshi, Upadhyay. Pramod545 (talk) 08:16, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

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Pramod545 (talk) 08:22, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

1.Havyak Brahmins are Aryan Brahmins. 2. There origin from Ahichatra of uttarakand and Uttar Pradesh. 3. There surname are Bhat,Hegde, dixit, Joshi, Upadhyay.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Lightoil (talk) 09:10, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

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}} Pramod545 (talk) 08:26, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Some changes should be added

1.havyaka Brahmins are Aryan Brahmins 2. They came from Ahichatra of Uttarakhand and Uttar pardesh. 3.The havyak Brahmins surname are Bhat, Hegde,Joshi, Upadhyay and dixit. 4. There origin are Uttarakhand and Uttar Pradesh. 5. They were doing pooja then agriculture now they are seen employed and doing business. 6.They are in Mumbai, Bangalore, Delhi, Uttar kannada district cities and villages , Hubli and many more cities. Pramod545 (talk) 09:07, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

I am going to clean the article up because it is a big mess. It is true that the Havyakas originated in Northern India (Ahicchatra) but they have lived in South India since 7th or 8th century AD so claiming that Havyakas are "Brahmins of Uttar Pradesh and Uttarakhand" is sorely misleading. By that logic, we are all "from" Africa as the human species originated there, but we do not say that about every ethnicity, do we? (For instance we don't say that an ethnic group based in rural China is "originally from Africa"). -- Pulimaiyi (talk) 08:01, 15 June 2023 (UTC)