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editThe basis for redirecting the term "Gurjara" to Gurjaradesa is this line in the Gurjaradesa page: "Udyotana Suri's Kuvalayamala composed in Jalore in 778 CE describes in detail the Gurjara country as a beautiful country, whose residents are also referred to as Gurjaras.".
"Gurjara" is an ethnic label, it is not a political term. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:11, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
- Gurjara was an ethnic label where are this ethnic group now? Do you mean present Gurjar Gurjara people?. Gurjardesa is a reginal name and this names Changed from Gurjaradesa to Gurjaratra then To Gurjarashtra later to Gujarat. ? Gurjara doesn't mean Gurjara Pratihara dynasty? Transe Ænd Danse (talk) 10:24, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
- At the present time, we have the remnants of "Gurjara" in modern names like Gujarat (whose original form was "Gurjaratra"), as well as the Gujjar people spread over a wide geographic region. But the Sanskrit or Sanskritised historical term "Gurjara" refers to the people of Gurjaradesa region, now divided between northern Gujarat and southern Rajasthan.
- The Gujjar people, who were originally pastoral tribes, want to lay claim to everything called "Gurjara" in history. That is clearly POV-pushing. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:36, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
- But as you said Gurjardesa region now devided into Gujarat and Rajasthan states of India but In all historical record It is mentioned that Gujarat took its name by Gurjar/Gujjar people. So Gurjardesa then Gurjaratra in prakrit Gurjarashtra that became Gujarat. So we can not redirect this page To Gurjar ethnic group even on Gurjar ethnic group it is mentioned with citations that Gurjar and Gurjara is one Ethnic group. They're pastoral community for now but they Named Gujarat state, Gujranwala, Gujrat district and Gojra city, Gujar Khan city in Pakistan.? In short pastoral life style of such tribe can be justify to say that they don't belong to it?. I mean Gurjaras of Lata Dynasty of Gujarat and Gurjara Pratihara dynasty we have two dynasties with Gurjara ethnic lebal but Gurjara Pratihara dynasty rules over entire North India not just in Gurjaradesa because Terorry of Gurjaradesa was only bound to present Gujarat and Rajasthan. I mean When Gurjara Pratihara rulers ruled over Punjab Bengal kashmir and other regions of north India also then Gurjara must not be Geographical name that was introduced by Pratiharas because I'm their era they never include Bengal, Kashmir,Punjab into Gurjaradesa Terorry. This is my last comment I don't want to disturb you again and again sir just want to clear some confusion. Transe Ænd Danse (talk) 12:34, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
- The identification of "Gurjar" with "Gujjar" is a modern claim to past glory. There are no historical records mentioning such an identification. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:05, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
- But as you said Gurjardesa region now devided into Gujarat and Rajasthan states of India but In all historical record It is mentioned that Gujarat took its name by Gurjar/Gujjar people. So Gurjardesa then Gurjaratra in prakrit Gurjarashtra that became Gujarat. So we can not redirect this page To Gurjar ethnic group even on Gurjar ethnic group it is mentioned with citations that Gurjar and Gurjara is one Ethnic group. They're pastoral community for now but they Named Gujarat state, Gujranwala, Gujrat district and Gojra city, Gujar Khan city in Pakistan.? In short pastoral life style of such tribe can be justify to say that they don't belong to it?. I mean Gurjaras of Lata Dynasty of Gujarat and Gurjara Pratihara dynasty we have two dynasties with Gurjara ethnic lebal but Gurjara Pratihara dynasty rules over entire North India not just in Gurjaradesa because Terorry of Gurjaradesa was only bound to present Gujarat and Rajasthan. I mean When Gurjara Pratihara rulers ruled over Punjab Bengal kashmir and other regions of north India also then Gurjara must not be Geographical name that was introduced by Pratiharas because I'm their era they never include Bengal, Kashmir,Punjab into Gurjaradesa Terorry. This is my last comment I don't want to disturb you again and again sir just want to clear some confusion. Transe Ænd Danse (talk) 12:34, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
- Or we can redirect this page to Parihar/Pratihar clan of Rajput they ruled in Gurjara Pratihara dynasty. I just want to know the consensus or criteria regarding the redirect policy. Transe Ænd Danse (talk) 10:37, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
- No, the "Gurjara" term existed before these clans came into being, e.g., Xuanzang refers to it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:38, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
- okay Transe Ænd Danse (talk) 12:24, 27 August 2023 (UTC)