Talk:Gunslinger Girl/Archive 1

Leader of Padania

Does anyone know who the leader of the Padania movement is? If there is such a character, please inform me. --Chameleon.

I understand most people have seen the anime instead of the manga, and since the anime makes no attempt to mention this bit of information, it is fair that the canonical details of the Gunslinger Girl should be based on the original work. Time to the clear up this big error most anime viewers seem to assume: the Social Welfare Section is just an alternative name which belong solely to Section Two. Both Section One and Section Two are parts of a higher section of the Italian intelligence. The elder woman of whom Lorenzo can be seen reporting to in Vol 3, is the actual supreme commander of this group which consisted of the two Sections. --reader

Thank you for this information. I will be sure to apply it to the changes and clean-ups I shall make for this page. I will try to see if I could improve this page's organization. --Chameleon.

Wasn't Chameleon's question "who's the leader of the PRF?"? I thought it was Chirtiano, since Franco and Franca, as well as Pino and others seemed to follow his orders and protect him as if he was their leader. Maybe he's just an important leutenant? In any case, I'd also like to know who the leader of Panadia is. Maybe only time will tell?

Well, if the Anime's episode 2 of season 2 is anything to go by, then it looks to be a ruling council of 4, with Christiano being one of the top guys. Doesn't seem to be one supreme leader, not that surprising considering that a cell-like organization tends to be more difficult to take down completely. 62.51.168.5 (talk) 19:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Relations Between Sections One and Two

It seems to me that relations between the two sections of the Political Warfare Section are wary at best, and highly political at worst. It seems to me that due to the overwhelming success of Section Two's cyborgs, the chief of Section One, Draghi, becomes understandably jealous. Draghi was determined to dig up dirt on Section Two in order to undermine the political power of Section Two.

Could one imagine how much political power Section Two would gain if the cyborg assassin program were perfected? Perfect assassins could give Section Two a voice in the government (behind the scenes) that could not be ignored.

Lorenzo, the chief of Section Two, and Jean are, of course, resentful of Draghi's uninvited intrusions, but I am not sure how pure their intentions for the cyborg assassins were. Evidence of this shows when Jean warns Pietro Fermi, agent of Section One, to keep his curiosity in check.

This puts forward a question: Will Section Two become corrupted by its potential political power in future? --Chameleon.

Unfortunately, even in the manga, the inner conflict within the Political Warfare Section, and the future of Section Two has not been explored in any depth. (As the series was focusing on the theme of human traits and terrorism) But one can easily understand the concerns of Section One, as its members see themselves being much more inferior compare with the abilities of Section Two. Yet throughout the manga series, it seems it is Section Two that is more concerned with its welfare, as the issue of the fratellos becoming liabilities and its exposure to the public, are brought up constantly even to the last volume of the books. It is fair to assume Section Two will face a crisis of termination, more likely than extending their influence into politics. -- reader

I see. Reasonable, since using a child for the purposes of dirty work for the government is a highly sensitive issue, politically or otherwise. It would create an uproar. Plus, the processes used to create a fratello are still in an experimental stage, so feasibility is a constant issue at this point. --Chameleon.

Re: "one can easily understand the concerns of Section One, as its members see themselves being much more inferior compare with the abilities of Section Two," can you cite your source? In vol. 1, p. 122, we see members of Section 1, far from feeling inferior, holding Section 2 very much in disdain. 125.14.109.235 06:29, 25 February 2007 (UTC) contributor.

Possible Story Ideas

These ideas are just my imagination, just to inform you in advance.

Most of the Padania Republic Factionists consist mainly Italian citizens, some with a few odd talents. I was thinking maybe adding a paramilitary division could give the PRF the edge they may need to challenge Section Two reasonably. Even a common soldier is more capable in combat than the average person. Aside from the assassin Pinocchio, there have been few serious threats that could challenge the girls.

Also playable are the weaknesses of the fratello. I have been theorizing how to best combat a fratello. Here they are:

• Never attack the girl directly. Even if protected by the girl, the handler is often less capable of defending himself. Attack him instead if possible. This is also applicable in threatening the girl with the handler in danger.

• Try to use surprise attacks if possible. A girl at rest will not be so instinctive to danger.

• Use grenades, mines, and other high-powered weapons. The girls are highly resistant to hand-held weapons.

• Against the girl herself, try to make her doubt her handler in some way. Due to the strong bond between a girl and her handler, this bond is a strength and a weakness. By playing upon the girl's mind about her handler, her mental state can be weakened, thus making her vulnerable.

• Aim for the eyes of the girl if possible.

All this is just speculation, but I think its fun! But what do you think? --Chameleon.

Since the Italian government in Gunslinger Girl is hinted to be corrupt, the support for the PRF amongst the public is considerable: ranging from civilians to special forces unit. (A captain of the Italian paratroopers and an old friend of Jose, was responsible of seeing the PRF's convoy of weapon smugglers make it through the border.) The PRF's known methods of aggressive actions include the rousing of angry mobs, terrorist bombing, drive-bys, and assaults carried out by heavily armed militants (gas-masked, loaded with tear-gas and stun grenades) - which could be the closest thing to a paramilitary division of PRF. --reader

Most of the weaknesses you've pointed out, are more or less discussed in the manga:

• When not distracted (such as talking), a direct surprise attack on the girls are most likely in futile, since they pose a superhuman sense for potential dangers in a hostile environment. In one occasion, Rico and Henrietta managed to pull their handlers to the ground, seconds before a drive-by takes out the soldiers standing next to them.

• When the Jose-Henrietta team encountered a triggered AP mine (concealed beneath a corpse), Henrietta's reaction speed allowed her to fly-kick the mine in mid-air, launching it out of the room and kept the casualities to a minimum. I'm pretty sure the girls are capable of dodging RPGs and alike - if they see it coming.

• During a training session with the GIS, Triela suffered considerable defeat when the GIS major firstly threw Hilshire's car key on her face, and beaten her to the pulp. As the major explained, due the lack of training with opponents of the same abilities, the SWA girls are only used to do close combat when they're on the initiative. Also, they movement is actually quite clumsy, so their advantage over their enemies are their superhuman speed and strength, which can be countered with careful calculation. (As Pino did)

As for a psych warfare against the girls, I'm pretty sure the success rate is high, since they still possess certain immaturity between their handlers. But the only way of doing that will have to be an insider in Section Two, someone the girls could trust...a Handler gone rogue maybe?

You bring up an interesting point. A rogue handler could have devastating effects on the child assassins. To a lesser degree, an agent of Section Two could do the same thing. In the right circumstances, a traitor could cause far more damage than an army. --Chameleon.

Possible Fate of Raparo

Jean reported to Claes that her handler Raparo was killed in a hit-and-run incident. But what really happened? I'm not sure if I could trust Section Two's explanations, since they may not be above deception if it suits their purposes. The motive may be good, but I am still a bit suspicious. What do you think? --Chameleon.

I think its more than obvious Raparo died at the hands of the Section. Before his "death", Raparo told the reporter he had to make note he was not being followed. What was the last organization he had any affilation with, that required one's caution when one departs? Since the PWS is the only known dirty minion of the government, they're probably the one responsible for the captain's death. Definately Section One's work, because any of the girls will display acts of awkardness around Claes if she was the trigger-puller. --reader

Strictly from what was shown in the anime, I was under the impression that they found out about his contact with the reporter and sent Triela after him. They told Claes he was dead and in one of the next scenes it was of Triela finishing getting ready for a mission. I could be wrong though, Claes had been reconditioned by then and would likely have forgot about him all together. If that were the case it wouldn't matter if Triela told Claes later what really happened or not since they were roommates. --kanzen

In the manga, that scene is not present. Triela was also with Claes in their room when they found out. --Wirbelwind 09:42, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Continuation of Gunslinger Girl

Great news! The official website of the creator had announced the advent of the sixth manga. The only given preview is a girl around 20 (?) kneeling over a covered MP5 (??). Does this mean more anime coming up? (I am unhappy with the fact theres only been 13 episodes, the way I see it 5 vols = 26 eps. Wheres the showdown between Triela and Pino dammit!)What do you think the new story is about? --reader

Is there a website or an address where one could place ideas for the story? If so please inform me ASAP! Thank you!

As for possible future story ideas, I think one possible future plot would be examining the relationship between Henrietta and Giuseppe. Henrietta obviously has romantic feelings for Giuseppe, but Giuseppe himself may see her only as a favorite sister, not a potential lover. What would Henrietta's reaction be if she realizes this, particularly if Giuseppe takes on a girlfriend? Throughout the manga and anime, we see Henrietta give fits of jealousy whenever Giuseppe even seems to turn his attention to other women, including the other child assassins. In Volume 3, Henrietta even cried when she found a kaleidoscope in Giuseppe's room that supposedly had another loved one's name engraved on it. While Claes assured Henrietta that the kaleidoscope was really a gift for her (Henrietta), the initial jealous reaction by Henrietta was genuine. Henrietta's gradual realization of her relationship with Giuseppe would make an interesting story plot. Would Henrietta and Giuseppe meet the same fate as Elsa and Lauro? When Henrietta took a photo of Giuseppe for herself in Volume 1, I thought it was almost hauntingly prophetic (and unnerving), knowing that Elsa also had a photo of her handler, Lauro.

Another possible future plot might debate the ideals of the Italian government and those of its opponent, the Padania Republic Faction (PRF). Many members of the PRF have good reason to hate the Italian government, such lost employment, families, and friends. While the leaders of the PRF may have more selfish reasons, people such as Franco and Franca, in my opinion, could hardly be called evil. Are the child assassins patriotic heroes, or pawns of a corrupt, selfish government? It would be hard to tell in either case obviously. The distinction between "light" and "dark" is almost non-existent in the story of Gunslinger Girl, since the methods of the child assassins are also somewhat nebulous.

There will be other plots of course, but I think the above two plots are good possibilties for major story arcs.

For future possible story characters, I think at least one enemy character should be able to match the child assassins in combat skill, in order to replace Pinocchio, who was killed by Triela in Volume 5. This could be a renegade commando, an elite soldier, or even another assassin who could give the girls a hard time. Since the PRF more or less knows about Section Two's child assassins, it may be reasonable to assume that some possible weaknesses of the girls may be figured out (and be tested) by a PRF leader or strategist.

These are my ideas for the future stories of Gunslinger Girls --Chameleon.

I believe on the front cover of the 6th manga is Petrushka, one of the new girls. She is about 16 and the weapon she is kneeling over I believe is the Spectre M4 which is her preferred weapon. As for the continuation of the anime that would be nice but I've not heard of anything yet.

On talk page usage

Chameleon and reader, please note that articles' talk pages are to discuss the article itself and how to improve it, not its subject. Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a forum (see What is a talk page used for?). --Fritz S. (Talk) 16:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking that perhaps by discussing the subject, we could find new ideas to add to or improve the page's content. After all, when one is writing, usually it is one person's point of view. I thought that perhaps when in discussion, I could clarify the facts. --Chameleon.

I don't really see how posting your story ideas for future volumes helps the article. Also, please sign your posts with ~~~~, which will insert your user name/ip and the date, instead of signing with a user name already used by someone else (User:Chameleon). --Fritz S. (Talk) 14:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Will attempt to extract appropriate material from the discussion above, and incorporate them into main articles where suitable. Although indirect and even "speculated" information are posted here, I see it is still possible to dig out fitting analysis from them, and apply to the characters and story of the main article. --reader

Question regarding the DVD release (American). Does anyone know what the music is on the main menu (specifically I'm talking about the second DVD --- the song is also featured in the episode on the third DVD when Jose and Henrietta are in Sicily following the departure of a certain fratello)? Is that from a pre-existing composition or was that something done specifically for the DVDs? 72.177.172.226 04:24, 17 May 2006 (UTC) Hutch

Primary weapons? Verifiable?

Concerning the changes made by 198.166.240.49 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gunslinger_Girl&diff=65350221&oldid=63870812), I don't like the info on their heavy weapon/exclusive weapons info. Is it even verifiable (both in what weapon they use as well as using exclusively those weapons) because it sounds like first-hand research/speculation to me. And the heavy weapon section make them sound like Gundams or something, with heavy weapon variations. Mentioning their prefered weapons like previously was better, I think. I didn't want to flat out remove it because it might be correct info, or could be made to fit the article better. --Wirbelwind 20:15, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Removed content?

When I checked up on this article about 2 weeks ago I recall seeing bits of info that I can't seem to locate now about this anime being considered "one of the saddest animes" and the game being considered "one of the most immoral." was it removed or am I just seeing things? i wanted to discuss the first missing info that I noticed.

how exactly is gunslinger girl one of the saddest animes ever? that bit of into made me go out and borrow it from a friend so i could review it, but I wasn't really moved. I'd appreciate it if that bit of the article was added back in with a synopsis as to why it is such a depressing anime (i really didn't find the last episode very sad and in fact, thought it was more of a happy ending than a sad one since Ange heard the story that was made just for her when she supposedly died). - Ironstove 75.28.20.87 03:17, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

The movie being sad is not fact; maybe a common opinion but that does not belong in an encyclopedia article. The information about the game being one of the most immoral was not cited and thus removed by someone, as there seem to be no proof to the existance of the review. And Agelica didn't die. ~_~ --Wirbelwind 16:46, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I see what you mean by the first comment, but how can you be certain that Ange doesn't die? Just because she went on living in the manga doesn't mean that the anime stuck with that storyline since there were various differences and the final episode didn't really give me any reason to believe she was either dead or alive since the scene seemed pretty ambiguous, but assuming that the last scene followed the general mood of the rest of the anime, I would only could only assume that she had died. Ironstove 02:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Hirscher not Hilshire?

Although the English dub romanizes the name as Hilshire, the character is in fact German instead (as seen in episode 4) just as the English dub romanizes Giuse (short for Giuseppe) as "Jose."

Yes, but as per wikipedia guidelines, the official English names are used, which are unfortunately incorrect. --Wirbelwind 18:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Wait wait wait, but his real name is Victor Hartman, so how do you know he has a German ethnicity? And Giuseppe is the Italian form of Jose, so that's not really that incorrect. --Wirbelwind 19:10, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

If the official English names are to be used as per wikipedia guidelines, then why is Jose (the official name) not used -- only mentioned in the description -- rather than Giuseppe?

Wirbelwind, just watch episode 4 in Japanese or glance at the manga.

The ADV manga says Giuseppe and Hillshire. The Funimation site says Jose and Hilshire. So Giuseppe is very much an official English name, and Jose is mentioned as being used in the anime. As for Hirscher being in the subtitles, when their website clearly says Hilshire, I have no idea. I will look at episode 4 later. But what was your point about the manga? I looked at it and it says Giuseppe and Hillshire. --Wirbelwind 03:18, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

The japanese manga, since the storyline has progressed further than the American release by ADV Manga.

I also see why Wirbelwind mentioned "Hilscher" as another name translation for Hilshire because of the ending credits; but by that same token, another translation for Giuse was given during the ending credits as well: "Gioseffo"!!! LOL

Hmmm, maybe in the anime, Jose (or Giose) isn't supposed to be short for Giuseppe, but is in fact short for Gioseffo (therefore Joseph)?

• José is the nickname (not short version), persay, of Giuseppe. Jean also has nickname, "Jan" (if you go by the Japanese). In reality, on the Japanese sites and in the English dubbed by Funimation, his correct name is John.
• If according to Wikipedia we're supposed to use the English names, then we would use John. As for Giuseppe, that is his real name (Giuseppe Croce in fact), and José is the nickname. In the Funimation and English sites, however, he is only referred to as José.
• This brings me to Victor Hartman/Hilshire's name. Hirscher is actually the German name. Victor Hartman was an old name for (no reason given) he does not use. Colonel Marksman 02:25, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

His former co-workers refer to him as Hartmann (change it to Hartmann, btw) in Europol, now only his mother is known to call him Victor since he entered SWA. Hartmann is probably is his real German name. (Hartmann IS a German name)

Expansion?

Why does the article need expanding? It seems good and efficent to me. Colonel Marksman 02:26, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Don't see anything in the talk page about it, and don't see anything in the request for expansion, and the tag is in the talk page itself. So I removed it. If someone wants to add, add it in the article and give reasons why. --Wirbelwind 15:10, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Poltical Warfare Section?

Where in the heavens is everyone getting that name from? SWA-- Social Welfare Agency, with two divisions: Section One (Intelligence/Investigation), Section Two (Implants/cyborgs/puppets). Colonel Marksman 02:29, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not 100% sure but I believe that Political Warfare section is the governmental section that involves Section 1 and Section 2 (if there aren't any others). Only Section 2 makes sense as the Social Welfare Agency, since Section 1 doesn't deal with the cyborgs. --Wirbelwind 15:16, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

The name was fleetingly mentioned in the manga. SWA = Section Two, and the name is never used outside of Section Two, and never referred to as such in the original Japanese manga (they simply call it the "Agency", instead of SWA). Section One is not part of SWA.

I don't remember seeing it in the manga. Where was it? --Wirbelwind 00:45, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

References

Could we use the series itself as a reference? I never knew (please point me to some guidelines). Colonel Marksman 02:32, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, because it's considered a primary source (the work itself that you write about). The guidelines is at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources. --Wirbelwind 15:23, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Vol 7 front cover?

Who are they on the front cover of Volume 7? My guess is that they are Triela and Claes but they don't look like them.

Yes you are correct it is Triela and Claes on the cover of volume 7. If you own and or read it you would know. What happened was both girls got make overs to make them look older for the mission they where assigned in that volume.

Ok thanks. I dont know Jap so all I could do was look at the pictures lol. I was wondering why Triela had a bigger... err chest

Manga Continuation?

It might be nice to have some references to fans being distraught over the lack of English translation of Volumes 4-7.

Some official confirmation (link)of the supposed release of English volumes 4--> would be nice.

You can preorder them here http://www.amazon.ca/Gunslinger-Girl-4-Yu-Aida/dp/141390341X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/701-4587716-0933116?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1175981470&sr=8-1 the site indicates the 4th volume is due out in late June. More than a year too late if you ask me but it will be out

Movie?

Is there a movie called Gunslinger Girl also? There probably isn't but i I'm just making sure. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.142.130.38 (talk) 21:32, 2 January 2007 (UTC).

There is not one to my knowlegde. --Eruhildo 11:57, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I wish but alas not to my knowledge either.

Romanization of Joze's name

The exact romanization of the character Jose/Giuseppe in both versions of the original manga as well as the anime is Joze (ジョゼ). The name is spelled and pronounced as Jose in both English-language adaptations of the anime (both the Animax adaptation as well as the FUNimation adaptation, as evidenced by the region one DVD credits as well as by an ANN review here). I understand that the name Giuseppe is instead used in ADV's English-adaptation of the manga (which by the way, is currently put on hold), however if this is the only instance where this particular name makes an appearance, it cannot be considered a part of common usage. Per WP:MOS-JA: "Names should be romanized according to common usage (see below), which includes unconventional romanizations by licensees (e.g., Devil Hunter Yohko and Tenjho Tenge).". Due to the original version of the manga (with the author and creator, Yu Aida, using the name Joze (ジョゼ) as well as both English-language versions of the anime spelling and pronouncing the character's name as Jose, I think it's quite certain that the character's name Jose is most certainly part of common usage, and therefore is to be preferred in the article per WP:MOS-JA. ···巌流^{? · Talk to Ganryuu} 20:07, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Is the Agency is right-wing or left-wing?

I would like to know if the Agency is on the political right or left. If you have some idea on the subject please let me know. Freedom Fighter 1988 03:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)Freedom Fighter 1988

Was never specified by the creator as of volume 7. However, since they are serving under a government opposing an extreme-right movement, the Agency may lean towards the left, central-left, or even central-right. Government subdivisions don't have a political stance that is different from the ruling regime.

Thanks, I was just asking because I'm not sure but at the time of the manga and also the anime '2004' it was Berlusconi who was into power in Italy and he's on the right. They even say in the manga that the Prime Minister even if they don't say it's name controlled more than 70% of the media and we know that Berlusconi is rightly owning much of the media in Italy. Freedom Fighter 1988 03:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)Freedom Fighter 1988

Ratiel / Rachael

Which one is it?

Rachael seems more conventional, however Ratiel backs up the theory of the origins of Triela's equally obscure name.

At the moment, the article conflicts on the two

Lmaowitzer 11:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

It's Ratiel. Switch around the words and you get "Triela". Colonel Marksman 01:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The anagram theory fits nicely with English but the Katakana used to write Ratiel's name in Volume 7 doesn't quite fit.

Profile Pics

Can we PLEASE get some more pictures! Preferrably, some profile pics! If someone doesn't bring in some pictures soon, I'm posting my sketches! (That's a threat) Colonel Marksman 01:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

.... hello? *Knock, knock, knock* Is anybody here? *void...* http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f204/ColonelMarksman/Henriettaunderfire.jpg http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f204/ColonelMarksman/FerroandAlfonzo.jpg http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f204/ColonelMarksman/wallpaper2-2.jpg http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f204/ColonelMarksman/Trielaafterraid.jpg

Obviously, these are screenshots, but my ability to post pictures is non-existant. I simply don't know how to do it. Colonel Marksman 20:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Right, I've put in profile pictures for most of the main characters. Lmaowitzer 03:46, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Characters split

Alright, I'm going to split the Characters section off into List of Gunslinger Girl Characters as it's getting unnecessarily long for the article.

Still kind of new to this, so I'm bound to make plenty of mistakes, would appreciate some assistance. (Lmaowitzer 09:52, 10 March 2007 (UTC))

About the games...

They don't play like Resident Evil 4. PERIOD. They play like Time Crisis. You need to go for cover to reload, you're exposed to fire when you aren't hiding, etc. The oly similarity it has with Resident Evil is that you can see your character. That's it.

Fixed links

Please don't revert the link edits. The first one was edited to point to Bandai's Gunslinger Girl page (it pointed to some sort of generic "missing page" page before). The second was deleted because I couldn't find gunslinger girl on animax's website, and the old link redirected to their main page.

Anime section

Has anyone noticed that the cover art picture is overlapping the episode list? It doesn't look very good and I was wondering if someone could come up with a better way to arrange it. --Eruhildo 18:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't overlap for me. Probably a problem with your monitor, specifically the resolution being really low. --tjstrf talk 18:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

It does to me too, actually, on 1024x768. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 02:51, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Mine is 1280x1024 (no overlap). --tjstrf talk 07:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

My laptop has 1280x800 res and it has no overlap, but when I made the comment I was using a desktop with, I think, 1024x768. Since that's still a fairly common resolution, I think it should be rearranged to accommodate those users. --Eruhildo 22:32, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I adjusted it down from 150 to 120 pixels in width, does that fix it? Anything more and it starts looking like a tiny blur and might as well not be there. --tjstrf talk 23:17, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Nope, it didn't work. The problem is that big episode list table which has nowrap enabled. I moved it down, below theme song and trivia (which fixes the problem), but I don't like how it looks. Maybe we can take out the part in parenthesis in the table, then it should work. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 23:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Now? (I'd check myself, but switching resolutions screws up my monitor something awful.) --tjstrf talk 00:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

The computer I'm using now has 1024x768 res and it looks pretty good. Was it just that really long title for episode 8 that made it wide? --Eruhildo 04:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Seems to have been the case, yes. --tjstrf talk 22:22, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Literary significance?

New section sounds ok, but seems too much like original research, and I'm skeptical that it's sourced. That is all. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 04:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Should be sourced alright.

X-Box titlesong

(sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong place... I don't really know much about Wiki.) But the episodes that are available on xbox live don't have the theme song "The light before we land". Instead they use the instrumental piece "TEMA I" from episode 2. Is this worth including somewhere?

Why not?

"Woke From Dreaming?"

To be quite honest I don't recall this as an ending to the anime at all, was it for a specific episode or variation? If it is indeed for a specific episode of the anime, it would possibly be a nice idea to add that, same if it's for a different presentation of the anime. [[207.157.17.19 12:32, 18 September 2007 (UTC)]]

It's not an intro or ending theme; it's played at the begninning of "Protezione."199.76.166.220 (talk) 18:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

counter strike

anyone else notice this is pretty much a story for counter strike (aside from the characters themselves)? take the first action from the anime series: girl does a p90 rush into a room, takes out a few terrorists with ak47s, two terrorists are camping, one with a mac10 and another with an he nade, the camping terrorists get taken out with headshots by a sniper. almost all the guns are accounted for with the exception of the sniper rifles, though one seems to be the auto-sniper; there're he, smoke and flash nades. even the game gives the rogue character a desert eagle and m16 which is close to the m4 carbine series. it's probably not worth mentioning in the article, but i can't help but see the resembelance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.85.201.240 (talk) 18:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I do see your point that there are many guns from CS in the series i.e the FN P90, AK 47, HE Grenade, FN 57, Styer AUG, Steyer TMP, MP5 expect the one in the series is the MP5K. However the sniper rifle used in the series is the Dragnov SVD which is not in CS. I think the similarities can be attributed to the fact that those are some of the most popular guns out these days so it's likely they will be used by terrorists and CT. The girls are just an elite core of CTs after all.

A tad unclear?

"Since the Italian government in Gunslinger Girl is implied to be corrupt, support for the PRF is considerable, ranging from civilians and businessmen to government officials and elite special forces units."

Does anyone agree that this is a little unclear? Does the first part about the corruption of the government have to do with the rest of the statement? If it is, then shouldn't "government officials" be first on the list after the second comma? If it doesn't have to do with the rest of the sentence, can we find another way to write that portion? A way that makes more sense? Jason2gs (talk) 22:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree - it is kind of unclear what it's trying to say. Unfortunately, I'm not good with words so I can't think of another way to put it. What you suggested sounded good though - why don't you give it a try? --Eruhildo (talk) 03:05, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I would, except I don't know exactly what it's trying to say. I know that it's saying that part of the government is in cahoots with the RF, but I don't know how it correlates to the first part of the sentence. If that made any sense. I don't want to write the wrong thing and mislead people ^_^ 71.238.211.166 (talk) 09:15, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it's trying to say that since the government is corrupt there are many people in the region who support creating a cleaner government. --Eruhildo (talk) 18:40, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. It's saying that the PRF is not entirely wrong in it's ideal as the Government is unclean and therefore involved in unfair dealings. -- Psi edit (talk) 02:46, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Demographic

I've read the discussion at Talk:Dengeki Daioh#Seinen or shōnen, but I don't agree that this series should be listed as shōnen. It has deep psychological themes that seem like they would be seinen to me. Does anyone else agree? I think it would be alright for some series to be listed as seinen even though Dengeki Daioh is listed as shōnen as long as the series is a clear seinen. Please post your opinions on this. Thank you. --Eruhildo (talk) 16:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I'd say you're reading too much into the meaning of those words. Shounen doesn't equal shallow and seinen doesn't equal deep. In practise, they don't even really mean "for boys" and "for young men". I mean, consider the most unequivocally shounen manga magazine of all: Shounen Jump. It does publish a number of titles we think of as prototypically shounen, of course, but its readership is quite diverse. A manga like Jojo's Bizarre Adventure was read by middle-aged men, mostly (it's probably true nowadays of Hunter x Hunter). And Prince of Tennis has an overwhelming readership of fujoshi :-). It's probably true that the classification of Daioh as a shounen magazine is a poor reflection of its actual readership, but it does mean that, technically, Gunslinger Girl and Yotsuba&! are shounen manga. If anything, it should convince us that those demographic labels have little significance content-wise. Bikasuishin (talk) 00:19, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I see what you're saying. Thanks for explaining it to me. --Eruhildo (talk) 05:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Lead section

I suggest the lead section talk more than about production. A mention about guns and girls should be added. The genre or the audience targeted should be specified.170.140.176.196 (talk) 01:31, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The lead section should definitely be expanded a bit, especially since right now the tables with the manga overlap the infobox ... so its a complete mess Shadowfoxza (talk) 13:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Added a summary for the character section. Kiskaloo (talk) 04:32, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Synposis

we should atleast mention the arcs like other animes naruto and bleach —Preceding unsigned comment added by Estarrol (talk • contribs) 20:38, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

No as there are no arcs in Gunslinger Girl. Bleach and Naruto are both extremely lengthy series that have clearly defined official arcs. AnmaFinotera (talk) 21:54, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Yet they do have Stories that Intertwine, and atlleast mention the Volumes and those stories —Preceding unsigned comment added by Estarrol (talk • contribs) 04:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Volume lists and summaries go in the media section, which does sadly need a LOT of work. For the main plot section, however, its supposed to be an overall view of the plot, not a summary of every storyline and volume. AnmaFinotera (talk) 04:58, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

i'll update the Volumes and the Storys in the Media section but you have to do the template lol Estarrol (talk) 01:29, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Template done :P Want to fill in the character section with some prose highlighting the main girls and handlers? It looks rather bare with just the link to the character list. AnmaFinotera (talk) 18:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Quite true, but i'm not sure how to start it. i would recommend just the names and basic description as you noted. should we have another page that details all the Arcs? or the plots in each volumes?

No. Arc information would be OR and those pages get AfD quickly (thank goodness). The summaries of each volume goes in the volume table (there is a field for it) and they should be between 150-400 words in length. AnmaFinotera (talk) 23:55, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

well i'm not that good writing 150-400 word summeries, i'll just put the basics, and you guys can edit them and i'll check them over —Preceding unsigned comment added by Estarrol (talk • contribs) 05:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I have added synopses for the following -Il Teatrino- episodes: 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15. Kiskaloo (talk) 17:50, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Chapter titles

I noticed that the volume 1 chapter titles used the nihongo template. Do we want to include the orginal Japanese titles as well? I can add the titles for the later volumes if you need it. --Eruhildo (talk) 02:13, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, if possible. I noticed in the earlier volumes ADV even included the kanji, but no idea how to type it into the system :P AnmaFinotera (talk) 02:22, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I put in the Japanese titles for volumes 7-9 as I had them handy. I should be able to get the other chapters done tomorrow. --Eruhildo (talk) 03:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Sweet, thanks! :) AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:28, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Got volumes 1, 4, and 6 done. I can't tell on volume 2 if ADV removed the kanji, or the chapters had English titles. For chapter 21 I changed "wise" to "clever" as 賢い can be translated either way and it makes more sense that way in context. I've also seen the title translated as "Cunning like a Snake, Sincere like a Dove". For chapter 22 I changed the title to "She is a Flower that Blossoms in Bona Fides" as this is what the title is (no kanji). --Eruhildo (talk) 21:41, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Added chapters 51-53 - a little early, but if you don't want it in the article right now, we can always move it to here. A note on chapter 20: the list of chapters in volume 4 has the title as トスカ, but the chapter itself has 托斯卡. This bothered me, especially since I couldn't find that last character in my kanji dictionary, so I did a little research and discovered that the latter title is actually the spelling of the opera Tosca in Chinese while the former is the spelling in Japanese. See ja:トスカ and zh:托斯卡. My thinking is to only list the Japanese spelling in this article and not include the Chinese one, but I'm open to other opinions. What do y'all think? --Eruhildo (talk) 21:30, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

That's fine on the chapters, since I've seen it done in other lists of ongoing works. I'm inclined to say just go with the Japanese spelling for the article. AnmaFinotera (talk) 22:25, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Gunslinger Girl II on Veoh

Veoh has Gunslinger Girl II as they call it on their site now, should that be mentioned? Yami (talk) 18:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Don't see why not. Added a bit about it to the Anime section. --Eruhildo (talk) 03:40, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Angelica died - Alive again in Il Teatrino??

Why is she alive again in the second season? --Aroddo (talk) 12:11, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Obviously she didn't die. Also, this is not a message board.--71.196.109.196 (talk) 04:47, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Refs dump

• ANN: Season 1 BR Shelf life Season 2 BR Season 2 BR Right Turn only omnibus vol. 1-3
• Mania.com: Manga omnibus vol. 1-3
• Active Anime: UK DVD complete season 2

--KrebMarkt 18:10, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

It's a beautifully realized...

...series; however, the premise is astonishingly cynical: programming lovely little girls to be assassins. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.51.153.238 (talk) 21:27, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Horror anime

Does it count as a horror anime? Because I recently saw a trailer for the anime, and I was quite disturbed.--Austin Robinson 12:21, 27 June 2011 (UTC)User: Robinsonbecky

Just because you found it disturbing doesn't mean that it is "horror". In fact, that type of personal interpretation is the very reason we have WP:V, WP:NOR, and WP:NPOV in order to keep it out. —Farix (t | c) 00:10, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Reception

The current reception section does not cover general reception and displays quite a bias. Unless someone has relevant reception information, I feel that this section should be removed. 219.90.233.149 (talk) 16:10, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I concur, the section read like a self-advertisement for the authors of the book it referenced, and made unwarranted/obscure relations to other anime. The section had already been flagged for lacking detail so I have removed the reception section. Please feel free to reinsert it if you are prepared to add additional information / more sources. 81.98.102.243 (talk) 21:30, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

An edit summary should always be used when removing content. I should also note that there are links to reviews in the 'Refs dump' section of this page and a 'Further reading' section I added to the article. – Allen4names (IPv6 contributions) 20:29, 20 January 2013 (UTC)