Talk:Gallbladder/GA1

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Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:27, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

I'll take a look and make straightforward copyedits as I go and jot queries below: Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:27, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Mention in the lead that it is hollow or sac-shaped or something similar.

 Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:19, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

The gallbladder and bile have symbolic and cultural meanings in English and other languages. - err, rather nebulous sentence that doesn't add anything. I'd remove it.

 Not done linguistic and symbolic use of gallbladder is independently notable and deserves to be mentioned in the lead in my opinion. --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:19, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

In which case, it'd be good to briefly mention some specific examples...otherwise this sentence just sorta sits there leaving the reading thinking, "and...?" Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:18, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Anatomically, the gallbladder is divided into three sections: - does the first word here add any meaning? (i.e. would any be lost if it were removed?)

 Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:19, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

The gallbladder wall is composed of a number of layers. - err, why not just say how many there are?

 Not done not resuscitating that flogged horse. There are certainly a number of histologically defined layers, however counting them up and providing that as a single statement on WP usually proves quite controversial.--Tom (LT) (talk) 09:19, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Underneath the epithelia... - should be "epithelium" or "epithelial layer"

 Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:19, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

The number and structure of the gallbladder may vary. - redundant as covered in following sentences.

 Done joined. I tend to write in pyramid format so that disinterested readers at least learn something before they bugger off to do more exciting things.--Tom (LT) (talk) 09:19, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Occasionally two or even three gallbladders may coexist - some estimation of incidence would be good.

 Not done too rare to mention; any such statistics would be meaningless owing to the way they are compiled (we would need to do population autopsies to get an accurate prevalance).--Tom (LT) (talk) 09:19, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Okay, in which case, if it is so rare, I'd use an identifier more strongly denoting this than "occasionally", like, "Rarely" or "On rare occasions" as "occasionally" to me implies uncommon rather than rare. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:00, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

 Done good point. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:30, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

The main purpose of the gallbladder is to store bile, also called gall, needed for the digestion of food. The gallbladder is part of the biliary system and serves as a reservoir for bile, which is produced by the liver. The liver produces the bile, which then flows through the hepatic ducts into the gallbladder. - there is repetition in these three sentences - storing bile, being produced in the liver. Need to remove repeated bits and reword.

 Done good point --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:19, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

The first two sentences of the Inflammation section are repeating info from the section preceding. They need to be trimmed as the definitions have already happened

 Done trimmed --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:19, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

In general, avoid one-sentence paras wherever possible

 Done? have tried --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:19, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Remove Porcelain gallbladder from see also and add as a one- or two-sentence item to somewhere in the body of the text (my favoured destination would be Imaging by YMMV).

 Done integrated into text --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:19, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

The Society and culture section is choppy - last sentence needs a ref.

 Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:19, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

The gallbladder has also been known as the biliary vesicle or cholecyst. - these are obviously archaic terms so some dates would be good.

 Partly done always a danger of changing reality by supplying rarely used synonyms in WP articles. I have removed 'cholecyst' and 'biliary vesicle' remains as vesicle biliaris in the latin part of the infobox.--Tom (LT) (talk) 08:30, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, including some obscure names isn't essential to the article really Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:02, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

The History section would greatly benefit with development of when people realised what the gallbladder did - e.g. what did Classical physicians think it did (medieval/Egyptians etc.)

Review the items in External links against WP:EL.

 Done preserved one link per WP:RICHMEDIA--Tom (LT) (talk) 10:13, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

I have listed a few things but I think they are eminently fixable. Not too far off GA-hood. cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:42, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

@Casliber, oh bugger. I was expecting this would be reviewed mid next year (I usually have to wait at least 6-9 months before my reviews get picked up) and was planning to do some more work on the lead and history sections and also finish citing and correcting some statements in the meantime. I figured I will nominate in the meantime so that my sources are all fresh in my mind when the review happens. I will also be away over this long weekend. Could we resume this review in about 2 weeks? I'll try to address as much as I can so as to not waste your time picking up things during the review. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:03, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Tom (LT) There is absolutely no hurry. It's important to get these ones right so am happy to leave this open for a few weeks until you can focus on it. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:40, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Have been working on the article as you can see, but still  Doing... --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:20, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

@Casliber thanks for your patience and comments above. Have finished responding. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:30, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I still have a problem with "The gallbladder and bile have symbolic and cultural meanings in English and other languages" as it really needs an example or two (in the lead). I'd be good if you could add to the Society and culture section too - you say, "Numerous words in the English language relate to the gallbladder and the bile that it stores." but list only two...which doesn't strike me as numerous. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:02, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

OK @Casliber, you make a fair point. I've removed the lead and improved the statement in 'society and culture' by trimming the first sentence. --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:23, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

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Pass or Fail: - all in order, bar one thing - that it'd be good if the File:Biliary system multilingual.svg had a source for the information. This could involve just checking with one of the anatomy textbooks and then documenting the information is consistent with it. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:35, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

I've run into a more prosaic problem here, @Casliber. That appears to be a template and I'm not quire sure how citations work within templates? --Tom (LT) (talk) 06:13, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Th editor is still active on commons - just ask him. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:12, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

 Done have inserted reference into template. Will display on page whenever the page is refactored. --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:36, 11 November 2017 (UTC)