Talk:Four Dead in Five Seconds Gunfight

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Tone/Style

I'm currently reworking the style and tone of the article on one of my userpages, so if you make any major changes I'd appreciate knowing about them so I can incorporate them!

Thanks

EvocativeIntrigue 21:07, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Uh, no idea what I was saying there! EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 21:55, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

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I've now worked through the article, but it's still not great, so feel free to change it- I'd be interested to see how it develops, though, so leave me a message if you make any major changes!

EvocativeIntrigue 22:37, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

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Reworking

To be done

• Find more external links.
• Verify some of the content.
• Add any relevant images.

Improvements

Here's a few explanations of what I've done.

• I removed this text, simply because I thought it was irrelevant. It could make an interesting stub if not article itself though.

An interesting addition, on Sunday, April 17, 1881, ex-Deputy Marshal Bill Johnson, whom Stoudenmire grabbed the jail keys six days before, was encouraged by his friends to fix his pride and eliminate the sense of terrible humiliation by assassinating Marshal Stoudenmire, his ex-boss.

Johnson agreed and prepared an assassination. Later that night, he waited atop a big pile of bricks in front of newly constructed State National Bank. Johnson sat with his shotgun and waited in the shadow. When he heard two male voices and footsteps approaching nearby, Johnson recognized Stoudenmire's voice. Heavily intoxicated, Johnson tried to stand up, but his wobbly legs gave out and fell. He panicked and accidentally fired two shots into the air. As expected, Stoudenmire didn't ask first, he pulled out his twin pistols and returned fire as the flashes roared and lightened up a dark street. Eight (8) .44 caliber bullets violently torn through Johnson's testicles killing him.

• I tidied the language up, removing the narrative and non-NPOV statements.

• I (hopefully) cleared up the whole article fact-wise, but I was only able to find one major source, here.

• I merged some of the details already in the article, but would not place much weight on them due to the narrative style of the previous version.

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A rather exhausted EvocativeIntrigue 22:37, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

To keep the above readable, I'd (politely) request any discussion of this article is left below!

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After reading both articles ("Four Dead in Five Seconds Gunfight" and "Dallas Stoudenmire"), I would suggest not merging both articles. Rather, that the Text in the "Four Dead ..." article be shortened to cover only the gunfight itself. The aftermath, which has nothing specific to do with the gunfight should be moved/merged with the Stoudenmire bio. For the material from the "Four Dead ..." that does not deal directly with Stoudenmire, this should be moved to appropriate other articles.

Side notes

I offer some interesting side notes. Gus Krempkau had been asked to escort Ycente Ochoa's vaqueros out to the Hale ranch to recover the bodies. While I haven't found any record yet in the state archives, James Gillette states in his book that Krempkau came to El Paso from San Antonio with Lt Baylor's Co C Frontier battalion in 1879. Further resources for the gunfight can be found in "Dallas Stoudenmire: " by Leon C, Metz, and "George W, Campbell,Lawman" by Fred Egloff. Both books cover the events leading to and some of the violence after the confrontation. A more contemporary account exists with a 1909 memoir written by George Look. A copy is on file with the El Paso Public Library.

From these same sources, I've determined that both Stoudenmire and his brother-in-law Doc Cummings emptied their first pistols at Bill Johnson. For a dark night, the fact that 8 out of 10 rounds hit the man says something about their marksmanship. Both men used their second guns when spectators began taking potshots from across the street.

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