Talk:2012 Finnish presidential election

Long lists of people not running

Once all the candidates are known, we can probably simplify the article by removing the names of the dozens of people who declined to run for candidacy of one party or another. It would look better to have a single section called 'Candidates' with a gallery of the final candidates with their titles. I'm assuming that after the election is over the main info-box will have photos of only the winner and the runner-up, as is the case with most Wikipedia articles concerning presidential elections. --89.27.103.116 (talk) 20:22, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

I have now done this. It might look strange to have two galleries now, but after the election the main info box will feature only the winner and the runner-up, while all candidates are visible from this new gallery. --89.27.103.116 (talk) 17:18, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

The list has now been restored, but I think it really just takes space without being significant. Many of those persons never personally expressed interest, but instead they are on that list only because their name was mentioned in passing in speculation in one newspaper article or another. --89.27.8.236 (talk) 21:42, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Fixed incorrect markup in Colour templates

Several of the "meta/color" templates ( Template:Christian Democrats (Finland)/meta/color ‎, Template:Green League/meta/color ‎, & Centre Party (Finland)/meta/color ‎) had Categories assigned to them but were missings "noinclude" tags - this was causing HTML markup to appear on the pages linked to these templates. --Tranquility2007 (Talk) 03:30, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Electoral number

Why there is no electoral number 1? --134.93.147.156 (talk) 19:34, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

In order to prevent a candidate from gaining the advantage of being known as "the number 1 candidate", which might give him/her some advantage over the others in connotation. --89.27.8.236 (talk) 19:54, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

There are several explanations, but the best is to prevent confusion between a line or tickmark, which was used in elections between 1907 and 1935 to vote for a party from a list in the ballot. Voters used to this method could mistakenly simply draw a line on the ballot instead of a number, so these invalid votes would be received by candidate number 1. These invalid votes were still being cast even in the 1970s. See fi:Punainen viiva (politiikka). --vuo (talk) 23:05, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Certified results

The verification count is now done and the Ministry of Justice has released the certified results: [1], also see [2]. There are some changes in the amount of votes for the candidates. They ought to be updated. --89.27.8.236 (talk) 17:24, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

You are free to do it. Go ahead. Everyone can participate. --RJFF (talk) 17:27, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

When I try to edit it, I only see "Finnish presidential election, 2012" inside these: {{}}. --89.27.8.236 (talk) 17:30, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

This is a template. You can find it here: Template:Finnish presidential election, 2012. --Ephraim33 (talk) 17:40, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

OK, this is now done. --89.27.8.236 (talk) 20:15, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Mentioning about Haavisto being gay

Hi! Yeah, I'm not indicating that Haavisto being gay would have any possible (or alleged) effect on his policies (at least in Finnish context), but could you please tell me why it is accepted to mention that Barack Obama is the first African American (or at least half African American) to have been elected a US president – and mentioning a gay candidate in Finland on the second round is not accepted?

And, yes, IMO the other crap exists argument can be forgotten right away 'cause the inclusion criteria for notable information should be the same at least for articles of same subject (here: elections).

It is mentioned on Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir's page that she is the world's first openly homosexual Prime Minister – that detail should also be deleted, right? -- Frous (talk) 01:35, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Haavisto's homosexuality already is mentioned in the article. Under the section 'Campaign': "Haavisto lives in a registered partnership with another man". --89.27.8.236 (talk) 16:48, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, and to my understanding no one has ever even objected having this information in the article. But obviously it makes a huge difference how you express things. This is just totally inappropriate way to put it. To take the same comparison User:Frous had above, that would be akin to writing Obama's name as "Barack Obama, black" in an election article infobox, if not worse. If editors are indeed so keen to write more on the issue of spouses, here is an English-language summary of the first major TV debate of the 2nd round where the issue was discussed very well. --hydrox (talk) 16:57, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

I have never talked about putting that kind of details into any infobox and a comparison of mentioning that detail in the actual text to mentioning it in an infobox is quite...appalling. I really don't see the reason why it is OK mention Obama's race but not Haavisto's sexual orientation, especially when it is put in the same way, that is, in the actual text. Anyway, as you people wish. It's not about life and death. :) -- Frous (talk) 12:18, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

If we write "lives in a registered partnership with another man", do we yet have to write "He is gay"? I think it is quite obvious. --RJFF (talk) 15:38, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

I also agree with RJFF and others. Moreover, this is just a matter of personal choice; i.e. Mr. Haavisto has (I assume) decided to have a relationship with someone else, who happens to be a (much younger) man. He might like orange juice, too, but there is no need to mention that. An African America, for example, does not have such a choice available. In other words, the skin color of Mr. Obama is not a result of his personal choices in this life. Mr. Haavisto also has the choice of letting the world know about his choice- through a registered partnership, or not. To me, the more interesting things are that 1) a Greenish candidate actually made it so far and 2) his spouse is not a native born Finn. This says more about the fundamental changes in the Finnish electorate than the candidate himself. The "gay" issue is no more than a distraction for some, or a point of unproductive gossip for others. Please get over it and move on. Peace.91.155.92.202 (talk) 08:49, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

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