Talk:FWA Footballer of the Year

Runners-up

From this BBC article, palyers positioned 2nd to 4th (at least) are announced. There should be an archive of past runners up somewhere...

2006

• 2nd - John Terry
• 3rd - Wayne Rooney
• 4th - Steven Gerrard

ed g2s • talk 18:13, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Political editing of this article

[Off topic insinuation removed] Could I ask any experts in the subject to look at this and decide if British Isles is correct or not. [ditto] Thanks. Mister Flash (talk) 19:31, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

[Personal attack removed]. Þjóðólfr (talk) 18:53, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I have removed the personal attack in the above edit. Please comment on the content, not the contributor. Please also do not take this as an endorsement of, well, anything British Isles related. - 2/0 (cont.) 19:41, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Summary: the topic area of British Isles on Wikipedia is subject to wide-ranging disruption. Disruptive editors may be banned. The topic at hand is "improvements to the article FWA Footballer of the Year". Please try to stick to it. - 2/0 (cont.) 20:07, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I am declaring my experience on Football issues Þjóðólfr (talk) 21:35, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I've restored the version prior to the POV attempt to remove British Isles. Reasoning: In 1948–49 Johnny Carey won the award. Was he the first player outside the UK to do so - yes he was. Reference is correct. In 1955-56 Bert Trautmann won the award. Was he the first player outside the British Isles to win the award - yes he was. Was he the first player outside the Home nations to win the award - no he wasn't. Reference is incorrect. Johnny Carey beat him to that acolade because the Republic of Ireland is outside the Home nations. The POV-pushing, political attempt to remove British Isles had resulted in erroneous information. I've corrected it. Mister Flash (talk) 21:03, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

...Except that Johnny Carey played in the 1947 British Home Championship. Þjóðólfr (talk) 21:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

So? He is from outside the UK, i.e. he was born outside the UK. As to where he played is irrelevant. Mister Flash (talk) 21:32, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately this article is under attack yet again by the anti-British Isles POV army. This user, Þjóðólfr, insists on removing the relevant and obvious fact that Bert Trautmann was the first player outside the British Isles to win the award. I've explained above why this is the case, but to no avail, apparently. As with other members of the anti-British Isles group, this user is gaming the system by insisting on a reference to an obvious fact - and not any old reference, but one that specifically states, word-for-word, the contested sentence. I'll fix up the article for now, but we could be into edit war territory yet again. Mister Flash (talk) 21:34, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Would replacing the contentious wording with "First winner from outside Britain and Ireland" be an acceptable compromise......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:10, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Maybe, but the term "Britain and Ireland" can be ambiguous, whereas it's clear what we mean by British Isles. And to remove BI is giving in to the nationalist POV which would see BI removed entirely from Wikipedia. Mister Flash (talk) 20:06, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I would not revert "Britain and Ireland" but it would be an equally, inane, pointless, obvious and unreferenced "Note." Þjóðólfr (talk) 21:37, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, so you wouldn't revert B&I but you would revert the more accurate BI. Why would that be then, especially as how you claim the fact to be inane etc.? Mister Flash (talk) 19:33, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Do you want me to answer a question with a question? Þjóðólfr (talk) 22:17, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Whether the British Isles belongs here or not, is irrelevant to me. The stability of an article is relevant, though. GoodDay (talk) 20:31, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Edit Warring

I'm tempted to place a 3RR report on both of you. Edit warring isn't necessarily over 3 reverts within 24 hours. Less then 3 per day, over a multiple day period is also warring. GoodDay (talk) 19:45, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Jeez two trolls on one article. I ask you. Þjóðólfr (talk) 21:21, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

No, just one - you! Mister Flash (talk) 21:22, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

My advice was supposed to cool the both of you off. Anyways, stick to talkpage as much as possible, 'til yas iron things out. GoodDay (talk) 21:23, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

The recent editing at this article would have justified a request to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection or Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring days ago. Please discuss here or seek outside input as to whether and how the issue should be treated instead of making repeated reverts. As a side point, Bert Trautmann mentions that he was the first goal tender to win this award, but appears to make no mention of where he was not born. - 2/0 (cont.) 22:09, 31 January 2010 (UTC)