Talk:Everclear/Archive 1

Archive 1

Tennessee

Definitely legal in TN. - FrancisTyers 03:28, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Yep, I found at my local friendly neighborhood dealer of alcoholic beverage delights. - Harlequinjack 21:47, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

West Virginia

The article says it is illegal in West Virginia, but that's not true unless that is a very recent law. I went to school in Ohio near the WV border until June 2005 and we would drive to Parkersburg to purchase it since it was illegal in Ohio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianmcgee4 (talk • contribs) 22:11, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

They just banned it months ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.111.129.121 (talk) 03:48, 12 February 2006‎ (UTC)

It's been banned as of November 2005.--MythicFox 12:03, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Only the 190 you can still purchase the 151. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.81.198.113 (talk) 07:07, 22 November 2016‎ (UTC)

Tucker Max

How many people actually call it "Tucker Max Death Mix?" I felt like it couldn't be that many so I removed the reference. Flibbert 18:32, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, something tells me a lot of these names are within a single clique of people who give silly names to simple drinks. I mean, seriously, water + alcohol = Dr. Strangelove? --Earin 10:24, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

OK OK I'll admit, I added the Dr. Strangelove bit. I know no one else drinks this but thought I might inspire someone else... But yeah, this party names list is sort of ridiculous and way too long. I'm prejudiced, but I think Dr. Strangelove warrants a note because this is a forty year old pop-culture example of someone drinking grain alcohol. However, I don't think a silly name like "evertea" really warrants a mention. What do you think? --MrGears 15:35, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Nobody calls this Tucker Max Death Mix; it's only an ingredient in it, along with Gatorade and Red Bull. --Rory096_(block) 20:47, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Recomendations

Is it really necessary that we tell people not to use this to set things on fire? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.160.0.244 (talk) 03:16, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Admit it, Wiki could use a little humor every once and again. --DodgerOfZion 04:11, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Although it could easily get out of hand and end up as a spam target, I'll buy it. It's accurate and the article isn't exactly a FA candidate, so why not allow some fun.Ari 18:47, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

For the same reason allow the 'do not consume Everclear in conjunction with loud rock music' line? I always thought that was the only way to drink everclear... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trent 900 (talk • contribs) 23:34, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm restating the three recommendations for the dozenth time (roughly). Unless anyone can point to a valid reason why they shouldn't be there–or aren't wise–please stop taking them down. Wangoed 00:20, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Well if you really want an answer, the first is already stated in the lead. The second and third are conjecture and un-encyclopedic. Although I've already expressed my opinion about that section. -- Ari 00:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Problem solved. Wangoed 14:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

New Picture Needed

The current picture is a "fair use" one, and in this case it will likely be deleted in the future. Would somebody with access to a bottle snap a picture and upload to the Commons? Many thanks, GChriss 17:17, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Fair use is fair. Why would it be deleted? Liu Bei 17:51, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Florida

I know it is illegal in Florida as the highest proof you can buy is 153. - Daemonicus 02:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I lived in Florida in 1997-1998 and was able to purchase the 151 proof variety FWIW. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.165.80.2 (talk) 20:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Lack of taste promotoes overconsumption?

I don't know if anyone else has ever tasted the stuff, but you DEFINATELY know you are drinking some strong alcohol. The statement to the effect that lack of taste promotoes overconsumption in the first paragraph of the article does not cite a source so I am going to edit it to reflect this. 75.69.128.249 01:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

North Dakota and Minnesota

In North Dakota it is legal to buy the 191 proof version, but accross the Red River in Minnesota it is illegal for liquor stores to sell it.

However, it is not illegal to purchase it in North Dakota and transport it across state lines as long as you do not resell it and will use it for personal consumption only. Had a little talk with the Moorhead police one night--Brian_{(view my history)}/^{(How am I doing?)} 08:49, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Virginia

I'm not sure about this (I don't live in Virginia), but the Neutral grain spirit article which cites its source says that Everclear is not illegal in Virginia, despite the fact that it can't be bought. Anyone know anything about this? Bob 06:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

i live in virginia and it is not sold in VA. to get it we go to NC and bring it back. its legal to have it in VA just not sold in the ABC stores — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.97.18.127 (talk) 01:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I live in Virginia, and can no longer find it in ABC stores, however there are Online stores that will ship it to VA and not to other states such as CA, leading me to believe that it is not illegal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.165.80.2 (talk) 20:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

You can buy it at navy bases in VA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.106.213.11 (talk) 15:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I worked for Virginia ABC, it is not illegal to purchase Everclear, but it does require a special permit. The permit is issued to businesses, mostly wineries where it is a food grade solvent, or to pharmacies where it is used to prepare medicines or again as a food grade solvent. Usually its a special order item meaning it can take from 7-14 days to order from the warehouse in Richmond, but some stores to have it on hand in the back. Personally I never saw it sold in the store I managed, I only saw it in 1.75l bottles, and the permits were all issued long ago, in the early to mid 1990's, but most pharmacies from around that time in town had a permit on file. Aaron 21:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Utah

I've bought 190 proof Everclear in Utah many times. It's available at every liquor store in 1/2 pints and pints but I've never seen a 5th in Utah. I can provide photo of bottle and Utah state tax license for proof. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.23.17.176 (talk) 10:06, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Illinois

It's also legal in Illinois. I live about twenty miles south of Chicago and have bought it at 190 proof a couple times recently. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.194.223.28 (talk) 03:24, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

New Jersey Legality

On December 2nd someone edited in that it's illegal in New Jersey. I personally today on the 5th just purchased a bottle at Bottle King. What's the deal here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.76.173.214 (talk) 06:35, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Someone did the same with Michigan. It is legal in Michigan. It's available in every liquor store I've been in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.188.167.139 (talk) 12:21, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Daily Show

Jon Stewart mentioned drinking everclear mixed with hydrochloric acid on last nights show (June 2nd, 2009). Should this be added to the popular culture section? 67.188.124.167 (talk) 22:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Canada

What is the legal stat in Canda? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.71.40.44 (talk) 16:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Its legal in Alberta — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelmorgan (talk • contribs) 15:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I can't provide a source for you, but I know that when I tried to get 151 proof rum in an LCBO (in Ontario), they said it wasn't legal to sell alcohol that strong in the province. Don't know if that helps you or not. 209.90.135.135 (talk) 08:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure about back in 2007 but you can definitely purchased Bacardi 151, a 151 proof rum, in Ontario now. 139.142.214.193 (talk) 18:11, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

You can't get Everclear in Ontario without a permit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.244.171.186 (talk) 20:52, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

uhm im not sure where or how long ago u tried to by it in ontario but bacardi 151 proof rumm is tottally legal down here ,, i wouldd know i love that stuff —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.112.226 (talk) 16:03, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

On the matter of taste...

Who said this stuff definitively tastes horrible?

I like it.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.29.50 (talk) 04:59, 23 January 2006‎ (UTC)

Taste is kind of subjective with something such as Everclear. On one hand, if you like that 'clear' taste that Rubbing Alcohol has, then you'll definently love Everclear. On the other hand, if your not into hard booze at all, you're probably going to throw up from just a drop of EC. Honestly if you ask me, I think it tastes better than Jack Daniels. It kind of tastes like Vodka if you ask me, just more bitter. Dragnilar 07:44, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

To paraphrase a quote by the great Ralph Wiggum, "It tastes like...burning!" Bullzeye ^{(Ring for Service)} 16:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Burning it does indeed taste like. Unless you dilute it it 1/2 strength... --24.125.174.125 (talk) 04:05, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

When you say you like the taste I can only assume you are either diluting it somehow, or you are ghosts or zombies or some other otherworldly creature, because this stuff will burn a hole through whatever body part you put in its way. I'm a guy who can enjoy a tall glass of vodka or whiskey straight up, but I wouldn't dare drink a shot of grain alcohol. Promontoriumispromontorium (talk) 04:37, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Citation for being an antiseptic

It's at least 75.5% alcohol. There's your proof (no pun intended). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.218.40 (talk) 15:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Azeotrope?

Is Everclear an azeotrope? —Keenan Pepper 22:10, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

A quick google search says that it is (this is the first result), but not from any super reliable sources. I'm not quite sure why the ethanol page then lists the ethanol azeotrope as 95.6 percent ethanol while everclear is rated 190 proof as opposed to 191 proof. It could have something to do with differing conventions as to at what temperature you measure the ABV or something like that. -- Robert McGibbon 06:58, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

That sounds reasonable. Or, it could just be how manufacturers or academics choose to do their rounding. The .edu sites I looked at quoted a range of values for the azeotropic concentration (all between 95% and 96% ABV). The CRC Handbook for Chemistry and Physics gives the vapor-phase molar fraction y_1,Az = 0.1030 (component 1 is water). I believe this correspond to 95.53% Alcohol by Weight, but feel free to check me. I have no idea how to convert to ABV, but intuit something very close to but slightly larger than the ABW weight. Because this is such a high concentration, I'm skeptical that the conversion factor in the ABV article would apply.

--66.67.98.207 18:45, 18 February 2007 (UTC) ABK

It is possible that 191 proof spirits (95.5% ABV) are very close to azeotropes, but likely not 190 (95% ABV). The US government requires the actual product within a bottle of spirits to be within 0.15% of the ABV on the label. Also, if I understand correctly, each successive distillation of spirits produces a diminishing return in ABV, making the commercial production of a true ethanol-water azeotrope for the beverage market cost-prohibitive. When would this really matter? Very, very rarely. Reversebackwards (talk) 19:45, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Recent edits by Emerson7

User:Emerson7 has recently made damaging edits to this article, which he has since persisted in reverting to. He has asked me to state my concerns here, which I now do. In these edits, he:

• Wrote "percent" instead of "%", which is better suited to articles dealing with liquor and ABV.

• Changed "Flavor" to "Flavour", contravening WP:ENGVAR.

• Rewrote the first paragraph in such a way as to obscure the 1:2 relation between ABV and proof, which is clearer in the original.

• Compressed the lead section into a paragraph containing disparate elements that properly belong in separate paragraphs.

• Moved the paragraph about the azeotrope level into the "Availability" section, where it does not belong.

• Changed the correct 95.6% azeotrope level to 95.5%. See Ethanol purification.

• Moved the content about the Guinness Book of World Records into the "Availability" section. It ought to be in the top section, as this is the type of content that particularly interests readers.

• Deleted two relevant See-also entries.

Wahrmund (talk) 17:41, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

addressing the above in no specific order: the 95.5 percent was indeed an typo and has been corrected. per wp:mos the preferred method of expressing percentages is to spell it out. the items in "see also" section were redundant as they already appear in the article. the lead--as it was--was a collecion of poorly constructed single-sentence paragraphs. in fact, the entire article could stand a really good re-work, but it is much better now than it was before. --emerson7 01:07, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

If you will take a look at other articles dealing dealing with liquor and alcohol, you will see that virtually all of them use "%" instead of "percent." And your proscription of single-sentence paragraphs betrays a singularly naive approach to editing. I have referred the matter to WP:EA. Wahrmund (talk) 19:32, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Generic Stuff in this Article

Practically the only sentence in this article that is actually about Everclear is "Everclear is manufactured by Luxco (formerly the David Sherman Corporation)". The rest pertains to 190-proof grain alcohol in general, and has nothing in particular to do with Everclear the brand. I realize that in some parts of the US, Everclear may be the only brand encountered and may even be a Genericized trademark to some people, but I can assure you this is not universal (where I learned to drink hard liquor we always called it Pure Grain Alchohol, for instance). I suggest most of the content of this article be moved to Neutral grain spirits. --66.56.56.251 00:03, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I happen to disagree as I do think there is an unsettled relationship between the legality of generic brands of 190-proof Neutral grain spirits and the legality of 190-proof Everclear branded liquor. The counterexample which causes me to disagree is the sale of such liquor in Hawaii, where one can find the 151-proof variety of Everclear readily available, where the 190-proof version cannot be found. However, in Hawaii one can find various other brands of 190-proof liquor - a noteworthy brand that comes to mind is Clear Spring - so I think that while potentially valid, this argument is untenable at present. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.187.62.218 (talk) 06:59, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Louisiana

It is legal here, it has been for years, this article is horse manure and should be pulled until someone with a vague link to reality can be called upon to fix it. As it stands, this article contains the sort of incorrect nonsense which gives wikipedia a bad name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.255.82.76 (talk) 10:16, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Connecticut

It is legal in CT. I know that because that is where I buy my everclear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.248.98.231 (talk) 13:48, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Entry above, titled: "Drinking the stuff" hit the nail on the head. Much stated about states banning the stuff, so tell young'uns Why!!

First, hear me when I say I'm in NO WAY for more government controls...

In the U.S. there are many stories about freshmen and older college kids drinking Everclear and dying of alcohol poisoning. Young people want to get drunk fast and are infamously reckless and naive about how to consume booze.
Everclear itself warns that –especially the 190 proof stuff– should never be consumed straight (neat). We all know young college kids, newly away from home, dare each other by chug-a-lugging and counting Jello shots at bashes. If a dude or girl has no idea the stuff is nearly twice as strong as other hard liquor, s/he's going to be lights-out before realizing a lethal blood alcohol level. These stories are all too common during long Midwest winters among students in the Dakotas, for example. (I lived up there.)

I don't think at all that Everclear should be bad-mouthed and I'm certainly not for more gov. controls on anything.. But if someone navigates to this article curious to learn facts about Everclear, I can't think of any others about it that might save a life or several at one time.

Another thing. I believe this Article needs two (2) bottle photographs. The labels for two different proofs look deceptively alike, perhaps on purpose?? It's very easy grab the wrong bottle, which could either be a big disappointment if you've driven out of state to buy it or else a lethal shock.. Either way, a person looking here should know the two labels must be studied closely to tell them apart.
I'm a perfumer and use Everclear 190 for my cottage industry fragrances. It's great, clean, "soft" pure ethanol containing no denaturants...
Mykstor (talk) 23:00, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree. It should be made clear that it's nearly 2X as strong as "high test" whisky or vodka, and can kill someone really quickly if they screw around with it. 71.162.88.183 (talk) 10:08, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Tennessee

190 and 151 are both readily available here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.118.205.78 (talk) 01:54, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Pennsylvania

In Pennsylvania, Everclear (the 190-proof version) was recently switched from "Special Liquor Order" (meaning you need a permit to purchase it and agree to not consume it in the case of Everclear) to "Regular" (meaning you can freely walk into the state liquor stores and purchase it) in the Liquor Control Board's database.

[1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.100.217.57 (talk) 11:44, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Pennsylvania has for years had available high proof spirits; prior to a switch to Everclear and whatever other brand of same proof PA LCB now stocks, the LCB carried "Spirytus Rektyfikowany", an allegedly 192 proof spirit. One was able to purchase it on special order and by signing a form that it will not be used for potable uses. The fact of the matter, however, is that I don't think PA law prohibits possession of high proof liquors or non-commercial sales; instead, the Liquor Code only regulates the commercial and state-oriented distribution of such spirits. Therefore, this wikipedia article needs fixed. Any assertions of illegality should be met with statutory citations lest they be imaginary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.235.91.131 (talk) 15:36, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

While Everclear is listed in Pennsylvania as regular, one still needs a special license to purchase the product. And Special Liquor Order does not mean you need a permit to purchase it and agree to not consume it. Special Liquor Order simply means that the stores do not sell certain items due to lack of available space in stores, because a product has very small distribution or because a product may be new or doesn't perform well in sales. Any one can purchase items that are listed "SLO" (Special Liquor Order). However some distributors may require that the purchaser buys a minimum quantity of said product. Being a bar manager for many years, I have extensive liquor ordering experience. One only has to call up any liquor store in PA that carries Everclear and ask what one needs to purchase said liquor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragoneyes1972 (talk • contribs) 20:39, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Dated comment, however... First, I've personally purchased 190 proof Everclear in Pennsylvania in the past. I've purchased today some 151 Everclear to make extracts. No permit needed then or now.Wzrd1 (talk) 21:48, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

The following is from the PA LCB FAQ page reqarding Grain/ethyl 190 proof, as of 01/03/2013

CAN I GET GRAIN ALCOHOL? IT’S NOT ON THE SHELF AT THE BOARD’S WINE AND SPIRITS STORES ANY MORE.

As of April 19, 1999, the Board opted not to sell grain/ethyl (190 proof) alcohol through its Wine & Spirits Shops to the general public. This was done in an effort to prevent alcohol abuse, particularly among college students and other young people. The Board will sell grain alcohol to non-licensees that intend to use the alcohol for a non-consumable use. However, individuals who wish to acquire grain alcohol must fill out “Application for Ethyl (Grain) Alcohol Purchase” (form PLCB-2196) and swear or affirm under penalty of law that the alcohol purchased will not be consumed. The applications will then be processed by the Bureau of Licensing who will make a decision regarding your application and provide you with any additional information you may need. The necessary form is available by calling the Board’s Licensing Information Center at (717) 783-8250. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.116.31.234 (talk) 19:20, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

References

True. I noticed that change in the law after I mentioned my own experiences. Regrettably, I forgot to update this talk page with the current determination by the LCB. Thanks for the catch! The upside is, I can still acquire it from Delaware, not that it's the most legal thing, but a common occurrence in this part of the state. I just have no idea why I'd want to, save if I need to clean helical scan heads of stubborn build-up (mixed with acetone). OK, seriously, the Commonwealth initially set up the LCB to make purchasing alcohol as difficult and as expensive as possible. Now, it isn't making things as difficult and indeed, protecting youths from potential alcohol poisoning, which is quite easy to suffer from with 190 proof ethanol.Wzrd1 (talk) 20:36, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Availability Washington State

I looked on the Washington State Liquor Control Board website. And I looked up everclear the 190 proof version is in stock at stores meaning its sold in washington state. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carsfan2049 (talk • contribs) 02:25, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I confirm that there is a 190 proof version of Everclear available in Washington State listed on the gov't website http://liq.wa.gov/services/find_store.asp, will check out cross-ref'd stores and confirm. Shiggity (talk) 09:50, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Checked this out and they do NOT sell this here in Washington (only the 151 proof version). The website is wrong. Shiggity (talk) 06:20, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Then you went to the wrong liquor store, you can get it here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.213.40 (talk) 04:56, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

From what's listed here 190 proof is available for purchase with a special permit. I am unable to find anything more recent than that. ☎ Chickie 11:37, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Incidentally, this is all irrelevant now, because Washington State is now privatized after I-1183 and they now sell 190 Everclear all over, e.g. at BevMo in Tukwila (perhaps the special restriction now applies to the retailer), and someone correctly removed Washington from the prohibited list in the article back in August. Shiggity (talk) 05:17, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

As of 11/7/2004 you still need the class 2 special permit to purchase 190 proof alcohol, and the places selling normal liquor can also sell it to you. The problem is finding any that actually stock it. Everclear is a brand name that has been used generically, there are many other providers of 190 proof grain alcohol. Not sure what the policy is now on where it is kept but when we only had the liquor stores it was kept in the back and you had to ask for it and show your permit. They no longer have to record your purchase on the permit. I currently have emails in to Albertsons, QFC, and Safeway asking if stores will carry this to sell to permit holders. If they don't you can still order it from out of state vendors as long as you have the permit, the only issue being the cost of shipping hazardous materials. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.151.105.94 (talk) 01:00, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

As of 2015 it is legal to buy without a permit in washington. This is because liquor was privatized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:602:300:9c5f:e0fe:e7ab:3131:3f8b (talk) 19:37, 13 December 2015‎ (UTC)

Lol, wut?

The fruit in this drink absorbs lots of the alcohol -- talking about Hawaiian Punch mixer.

Um, where does the alcohol "go"? I think this should be reworded to say it "masks the taste of alcohol", not absorbs it. Liu Bei 17:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

It is not saying the fruit gets rid of the alcohol or masks the taste. The alcohol is literally absorbed into the fruit. Similar process to when you stay in water to long and prune up. 134.216.26.211 20:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Hawaiian Punch is a fruit flavored drink made from a powdered mix. It's almost all sugar, with a small amount of fruit juice and flavoring, and doesn't have any pieces of fruit in it. 68.81.113.3 03:46, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

No. Just use cranberry. Can not taste it a bit!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.197.21.90 (talk) 01:04, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Washington, Idaho

So I live in Seattle but I used to live in Spokane which is a short drive to Idaho and I checked in both states and they say 190 proof is illegal. I can definitely get it in Oregon. As there is no ref cited as far as the states listed, I'm going to add WA and ID unless there is some pressing reason to not do so. Shiggity (talk) 09:47, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

I confirmed there are places in Washington listed as selling 190 proof Everclear, vide supra. Shiggity (talk) 09:51, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

However, the state liquor site is WRONG. Liquor stores in WA confirm they do NOT sell 190 proof liquor. Shiggity (talk) 06:22, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Since liquor has been privatized in Washington, I've seen 190 proof Everclear all over the place. So it's definitely legal here now, and the list reflects as much. Shiggity (talk) 02:27, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

190 proof Everclear is legal in Idaho according to the Idaho State Liquor Division Quarterly Price Book for 5/01/10 through 7/31/10. This can be seen at http://www.liquor.idaho.gov/PriceBooks/catpricebook.pdf It is the first entry on the list. 13 June 2010 written by a concerned Vandals fan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.101.136.104 (talk) 01:22, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Everclear is NOT sold in Idaho at all. I stopped in today at a state liquor store and they didn't have any. They told me it's not sold in the state and the closest place is Montana. 67.136.10.66 (talk) 05:35, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm a health professional who makes tinctures and I can get it in Idaho, but I have to get a special permit and the main state warehouse will send it to a local store for me. A few years before I moved out of Seattle, it was showing up at BevMo (Northgate, at least) and the Wine Store in the U-District (right off the freeway at the 45th St Exit). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.27.92.94 (talk) 23:36, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Citations for recipes?

Isn't it ridiculous to ask for a citation for a recipe or a statement like 'alcohol extracts flavors'? Wikipedia IS the reference! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.21.37.224 (talk) 02:04, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

===Nope.===

Sorry, no. That's not ridiculous. What's ridiculous is the notion that certain things are so obvious that an *encyclopedia* can take them for granted. What if it turned out that this is a misconception and alcohol doesn't extract flavors at all? Of course, we know that alcohol extracts flavors as it is an excellent solvent and people have been using it for all kinds of tinctures for centuries. For this very reason, a citation should not be difficult to come up with. However, if an editor comes across an uncited statement like this and doesn't want to go looking for a citation, he or she can still help out by adding the *citation needed* markdown so someone else can do it as it fits into their schedule.

Consider also that even if it were *so obvious* that alcohol extracts flavors that no one required a citation to serve as *evidence* of the statement, a reader of the article might *still* require a citation for a paper they are writing or even a published article or book. That is one of the primary use cases of wikipedia: people comb through articles on this site looking for citations to use in their *own* work. If a person were writing a paper about makers of alcohol based tinctures, don't you think their grade would be reduced for failing to even include a single citation that is sufficient to prove that tincture makers have ever used alcohol for this purpose? Sorry, but for wikipedia to be truly useful, it needs to be dense with citations. Your comment would seem to imply that you have never written a college level paper, or that your professors are lax in their grading. This might even explain why you didn't bother to sign your comment. Please hold yourself to a higher standard.Comiscuous (talk) 00:50, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

New York and New Jersey

It's illegal in New York, but legal in New Jersey. My friend from Jersey goes home and smuggles some back every so often. Oh, college. - Jigwashere 17:31, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I can't find anywhere to cite its illegality in New York. I found New Yorks Laws on Alcohol and didn't read it all but I saw nothing on it where it would make sense to be. Heres the website if some one else has more luck. http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menugetf.cgi?COMMONQUERY=LAWS —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sean0987 (talk • contribs) 17:39, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, they carry it in Suffolk county, Long Island, so it certainly isn't illegal in all of New York. When talking to liquor stores in Nassau county about it, they said that they can carry it but choose not to because it requires a special, more expensive insurance to be able to stock it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.4.174.48 (talk) 03:02, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Just bought a bottle of 190 proof in NY, so apparently it's legal. Mkcmkc (talk) 23:08, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Just purchased a bottle 190 proof 05-19-15 in Massapequa, NY Its legal to purchase in Long Island — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.108.140.202 (talk) 01:53, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Fix this bullshit. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/spirit-state-approves-192-proof-spirytus-allowing-new-yorkers-buzz-article-1.183215 It is obviously legal in New York to sell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.155.55.68 (talk) 20:36, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Did you actually read the NYDN article you linked? Last paragraph: "The approvals came several years after the state turned down the grain alcohol Everclear. The SLA spiked it because makers acknowledged it couldn't be consumed without a mixer, Crowley said." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.209.144.72 (talk) 17:51, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

I'll confirm what others have said; in upstate New York, the 190 proof is as easy to buy as any bottle of liquor. A lot of Q&A websites still have posts claiming Everclear is illegal in New York. This doesn't appear to be the case but I haven't found any solid sources confirming its legal status here. —Reelcheeper (talk) 03:44, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

I live in Buffalo, NY area and can confirm that I have seen 190 proof available at Global Liquors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.81.81.85 (talk) 19:30, 31 August 2017‎ (UTC)

Drinking the stuff

I'm not familiar with Everclear; it's not sold in the UK. This articles seems to miss out the first thing I want to know, which is whether (a) the stuff can be drunk neat and (b) the stuff is supposed to be drunk neat. There is mention of it being used as a mixer, but nothing about it as a drink unto itself. Surely a 95% alcohol drink would be lethal? -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 21:52, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

You can drink it undiluted, but it's risky - it can stop your breathing, as I very nearly found out the hard way the only time I tried it out of curiosity. I bought a 750ml bottle of 190 percent proof in Rhode Island (I live in Mass, where it can't be sold) for non-beverage use last year and still have about half left. It really is dangerous in incautious/impulsive/immature hands. 71.162.88.183 (talk) 09:51, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

You can drink it neat, but it is literally fire water. It is not unsafe in very small doses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.157.20.151 (talk) 15:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I've generally found that liquors of any sort choke me, and it is only by occasion and rare temperament that they do not; however, Everclear has treated me differently, yet there is a different kind of choking caused by it because it is especially inflammatory to the mucous membranes of the mouth and throat. I imagine you can find some medical journals on the effects of ethanol to such membranes, and perhaps it is best avoided. To decrease the time of such a strong spirit on the membranes I generally follow shots of Everclear with 8oz or more of water. It is hardly lethal, either by direct contact of the strong spirit or in absorption into bloodstream. 2.375 shots of a a 40% liquor one after another is equivalent in the stomach. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.235.91.131 (talk) 15:43, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

I picked up a 200ml bottle for a science experiment that only used a little bit. I can't imagine drinking it neat. I smell it and it smells like rubbing alcohol. I mixed it 50/50 with some soda and it tasted like straight vodka with a little flavor. I guess it was expedient. One glass mixed with soda and ice and you're toasted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.158.24.242 (talk) 04:39, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Legality Contradiction

Second paragraph: It is illegal to purchase the 190 proof version in all U.S. states except for Nevada and Kentucky.

Last paragraph: Everclear can be found in 190 proof in all states and is sold in a 194 proof or 97% in Rhode Island and Texas.

Erf?

aeonite 03:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

NOTE: At 16:03, 13 April 2008 (UTC), the above remark was vandalized by IP editor 96.20.73.173 to say "250 proof or 92%" instead of "194 proof or 97%". The vandalism remained in the article until October 2017. At least two of the remarks recorded below are responses to the vandalized version. —BarrelProof (talk) 00:37, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

**(200 proof is 100% alcohol, the percent you stated “92%”, would be 184 proof, can we get an edit on this?)** — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.70.94.18 (talk) 01:07, 8 November 2017‎ (UTC)

Everclear can't be found in 190 proof in all states. Living in Florida, I'd know this. I'm removing it now. Erik E. 22:04, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

It is definitely illegal to sell Everclear in the state of Michigan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.166.14.89 (talk) 09:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

There is no such thing as 250 proof of ANY alcohol... 200 would be 100% — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.81.147.56 (talk) 08:32, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

As of 11/22/2014 190 proof grain alcohol is NOT illegal or banned as so many posts claim, anywhere in the US. It is regulated in most though, requiring a special permit you pay 5-10 bucks for and have to state purpose using it for. Making liquors, extracts, and herbal tinctures all qualify. 191 proof would be the highest possible distillation without chemical treatment, the 200% scientific grade is achieved by using chemicals to remove that last bit of water. Many states allow you to import small amount without license, and mail ordering requires the same permit required to buy it locally (ask for it at your liquor stores as in controlled areas it is kept in the back not on shelf). Contact your states liquor control board for specifics on the permit you need to purchase and what amount it limits you to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.151.105.94 (talk) 17:43, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

State of the Article

So...a 6,700-word talk page for a 200-word article, most of which is about general chemistry and bad music, do I have that right? Fetald (talk) 09:22, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I think you summed it up nicely. Everything's fine here – nothing to see – please move along... —BarrelProof (talk) 20:02, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Everclear as a THC Extract

There is no reference to Everclear being used to extract THC from marijuana. Why is that? --Grammar Watchdog (talk) 00:42, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Provide a good Wikipedia-worthy reference and the information will be included. 207.237.33.36 (talk) 22:25, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

No idea about marijuana and THC, but I use it to make herbal (non-illegal) tinctures as it's much cheaper to buy Everclear + whatever herb I want to extract / activate the chemical constituents than to buy commercial versions pre-made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:543:4303:3BE0:9DF7:DDF9:D64D:10E7 (talk) 00:07, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Using Everclear to extract cannabis is called Full Extract Cannabis Oil or FECO. Rick Simpson Oil (RSO) uses a similar process to extract the cannabinoids but traditionally uses 99% Isopropyl Alcohol or Naptha. Because isopropyl and naptha are toxic, many people use a very strong grain alcohol such as Everclear. The higher the alcohol content used for extraction, the more potent the resulting concentrate because water takes more effort to distill off. http://phoenixtears.ca/producing-the-oil/ https://www.liwts.org/medical-marijuana/guide-feco-full-extract-cannabis-oil/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.14.173.151 (talk) 21:31, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Michigan

Not sure why Michigan was listed since you can purchase it here. Just bought some myself yesterday. I've removed Michigan by the way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.231.180.54 (talk) 01:46, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Was the bottle you bought 151-proof or 190-proof? Some states permit the 151-proof stuff but ban the 190-proof.Wahrmund (talk) 19:04, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Everclear is highly recommended to be drank with a non alcoholic beverage, it should never be consumed by itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.229.86 (talk) 17:21, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

From what I've learned so far, 153 is the highest proof available for pure grain alcohol in Michigan. There is a brand called 'Diesel' which is 153 and it is available here. I have purchased several half gallons for my tinctures. ~/Lee Wilkerson 03:03, 28 June 2017

- Update: Actually,there is a BP gas station on Hall Rd in Utica, MI. that sells liquor and they have Everclear in half-pints. The real deal, 190 proof grain alcohol I was surprised when I first saw them there. They had a few of them sitting on the counter right up front by the cash register and more on the shelves with the rest of the half-pints directly behind the register. I couldn't believe it, because I had always thought/been told that it was illegal in this State. It is located at 8100 Hall Rd, Utica, MI 48317. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:406:C202:7591:82A:7DEE:F0F0:4077 (talk) 05:01, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Useless trivia

Is it really necessary to have its legal, not legal list for each state? I removed statements of opinions and low value cite spam links while I was editing. Cantaloupe2 (talk) 12:07, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

As we list provinces in Canada that permit or prohibit it, we should have a well cited state listing. I'd suggest it be in a drop down though, lest we have a page that is more list than article. It does add to the knowledge on the product, as well as restrictions placed upon it by various states and communities. The restriction that is based upon regional/provincial/state/city laws is most certainly notable, as there are few restrictions on other types of drinking ethanol otherwise in place in the US and Canada.Wzrd1 (talk) 12:14, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Isn't that best suited for "alcohol laws in the US state" article or something and redirect there? Everclear is just a brand name of neutral spirit. Restrictions by locality stray too far form the topic of this article. Cantaloupe2 (talk) 09:02, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm of divided opinion on this one. Perhaps a link to those alcohol laws of the United States, but it wouldn't cover Canada.Wzrd1 (talk) 17:06, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I cleaned out most of redundant contents. Everclear is just a brand of neutral of spirit and the law applies not specifically to Everclear, so I am doing it on rectified spirit article. Cantaloupe2 (talk) 18:05, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Sounds good. Think that rectified spirit should be in the see also area?Wzrd1 (talk) 18:31, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

• "Useless trivia" is an opinion. You can't simply come in and gut referenced material in a comprehensive encyclopedia. Try tagging and moving incrementally to establish consensus. μηδείς (talk) 19:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Actually, a lot of the removed material, such as on Michigan, Penna, NJ, and NY and so forth is not included in the rectified spirit article. Perhaps the articles should be mereged, but the information should certainly not be deleted wholesale. μηδείς (talk) 23:45, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

There's a sentence there and a reference I added there to say retail availability vary by state. I haven't itemized them since that reference I added does not look totally credible. The ones that I have authoritative statute for are listed. I haven't found one on Michigan yet. Iowa was in the list, but it was based on a speculative ban from the media in 2010 and statute confirming the ban was not found. Cantaloupe2 (talk) 00:00, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, this article is about one particular branded product, not grain neutral spirit in general. There is a separate article about that – at rectified spirit. Laws are not brand-specific; they regulate categories of products. Therefore it makes a lot more sense for the regulatory restrictions to be described in the other article instead of being repeated here. That information was all completely unsourced in this article too! The other article has some proper citations. I removed the unsourced list of state prohibitions from this article and added a reference to the other article as the main one for readers to consult about that issue. —BarrelProof (talk) 20:02, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

It's absolutely ridiculous that I had to go back and look at an older edit to find out if it's legal in the state I'm in. At least make the damned link obvious. Believe it or not, a lot of people are just buying this stuff to have some near-scientific-grade, food-grade ethanol on hand. nezZario (talk) 20:35, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Worth its own article?

Just about everything in this article applies to rectified spirits in general, not this brand in particular. Why does this brand deserve its own page? --Macrakis (talk) 04:45, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

It's quite the pop culture icon. Not quite as much as say Jack Daniels, but there is a lot of notoriety here. nezZario (talk) 20:37, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Legal Version of Moonshine?

I read somewhere (I don't remember where) that Everclear was created as a legal version of Moonshine. Is this true? If so and someone can find a source I think it should be noted here. Scaper8 05:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure about this, so I may be wrong... but I believe a Moonshine is defined as being a distilled alcoholic drink produced from corn, so Everclear's grain origins would exclude it from this categorization. Again, I may be wrong. 66.56.237.64 18:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Corn is a grain, and is even featured on the Everclear Emblem on the label featured in this very wikipedia article. (that's Corn in US parlance, ie maize) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kool kitty89 (talk • contribs) 10:10, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Available at Travis Air force Base. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.29.61.78 (talk) 01:49, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

California

As far as I know, and trust me I have tried at least five liquor stores in one night, that Everclear is not sold in California and has not been since since 1994.

If anyone knows different, please let us Cali kids know.

--Sincerely, Desperately Seeking Everclear — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.243.216.79 (talk) 05:10, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Bevmo carries 151 proof everclear. Talk pages aren't forums. -- Ari 05:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Just left Bevmo: both San Leandro and San Ramon stores tell me that they no longer will see it per ABC (10/3/17). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.203.83.51 (talk) 17:26, 3 October 2017‎ (UTC)

Bunch of nicknames for this drink on an encyclopedia page? You people are just stupid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.6.40.2 (talk) 04:18, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

As of today, September 12, 2007, I know for a fact that you can get it in Paso Robles, CA for about $23 a bottle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.102.21.19 (talk) 14:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Stupid is thinking that true Everclear is sold in the state of California. Those authoritarian nutjobs would never allow such a thing. They purposely make a weak version of Everclear for states like California. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.155.55.68 (talk) 20:41, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

You can purchase 151 proof everclear in California, however the stronger 190 proof is illegal to purchase in California. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.8.70.137 (talk) 05:14, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

I use everclear to make Limoncello. Earlier this year I learned BevMo stopped selling the 151 (190 was not available previously) I looked up the ABC memo, and sure enough - although ridiculous - the memo would seem to prohibit even the 151. On a recent visit to my local liquor store, they had on sale 120 proof ever clear. This seems to be a new thing. Sadly I'll need to adjust my recipes to account for the water content. Oct 2018 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.232.40.82 (talk) 19:05, 11 October 2018 (UTC)