Talk:Euskaltel–Euskadi (1994–2013)

Restrictions on selection

Is there a sourced reference of the origins of riders that this team is willing to take on. It has a French Basque, and has had in the past a Venezuelan who, to judge by his surname, was of Basque heritage.

Of the current squad, the majority are Basques, but there are at least 7 born in Navarre (Aramendia, Martínez, Nieve, Oroz, Alan Pérez, Sesma and Urtasun), and one Asturian (Sam Sánchez).

Apart from Samu, all seem to comply to "formado por deportistas que hayan nacido en los Territorios Históricos de Alava, Bizkaia, Gipuzkoa y Navarra"; does he conform to "o que se hayan formado en las canteras de los referidos territorios" (Foundation statement on FEC website). Kevin McE (talk) 08:29, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Sensitivity vs recentism

After the sad death of Victor Cabedo, I removed him from the squad list. A deceased rider, clearly, is not even a potential member of the line-up for the next race, nor is he an employee. I should have updated the as of date of the list. However, Stuntbaby has restored his name to the list and added a section on his death, with the editnote: Comes across as insensitive to simply remove a deceased rider's name without explanation in article. Besides, roster listed as of Jan 1, 2012. It seems highly disproportionate to have a report on the death of a very minor member of the squad for less than a year, who doesn't even have an article of his own, in an article with so little prose and historical detail. I have posted the Cabedo death article to the season article, where recentism is to be expected, and where it can remain in posterity as relevant to this season. I would suggest removal of his name from the squad list on this article, and removal of the death paragraph from this article with a note below the list for the remainder of this season. Kevin McE (talk) 10:07, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

I have tried to solve this by combining the two sections. I think it is good to list the roster as of 1 January, because I don't think there are enough editors who actively update the rosters during the year. In extreme circumstances (like the death of a cyclist or a higly publicized mid-season transfer or addition) we could add a little prose below the roster. Anyhow, when the new roster of 2013 is put here, the information about Cabedo will leave this article.

Personally I would be in favor of removing the rosters altogether because of recentism, but that is a different discussion that I will not pursue because it does not have a snowball's chance in hell of being accepted. --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 11:22, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Articles should seek stability: prose should not be added with the express intention of deleting (as opposed to updating) it at a later date. See wp:10YT. Kevin McE (talk) 12:28, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Which is why I think the team roster for 2012 should be on the 2012 season article, where it can stay indefinitely, and the team article should have no roster at all. But I accept the current status quo (that team articles list rosters), mainly because don't want to spend the time to change it. The edit I made to this article was just an attempt to find a compromise between your position and Stuntbaby's position, which I hoped would be acceptable to both.--EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 16:05, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

I have no objection to the compromise used. I also hope (and think it's the case from the wording used) that Kevin McE realises I was not accusing him of insensitivity, merely that it could be perceived as such. I'm by no means an expert in the editing of Wikipedia, more of an enthusiastic, occasional contributor. Sometimes I edit articles I feel a close association with, sometimes articles which I just happen to read and spot something I feel I should - or could -

be changed in some manner. As a "non-expert" I expect there will always be a chance I fail to follow accepted convention when making edits. But then the very size of Wikipedia and its membership (effectively every single person who uses the internet) means very few of us can get it right every time. That's where the experts come in :-)

Regarding the article itself, I certainly see the argument for excluding the roster from the main team page(s). In fact, I had actually missed the "current season" link, otherwise that is where I would have made my edit in the first place. Fair enough as far as removing reference to the Tour of Britain - I suppose it's easy to "over-inform" and thus introducing "bloat" to articles. I was just trying to paint a fuller picture. I'll never stop learning how to edit Wikipedia! Stuntbaby (talk) 01:14, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

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