Talk:Edison, New Jersey

Nickname

Edison is sometimes referred to as "The Birthplace of the Modern World" because of Thomas Edison, so I added that. This was also stated in this book about Edison, NJ. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fidelio72 (talk • contribs) 19:49, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Politics

I found the Politics section to violate the npov policy and also found inaccurate. I note it was the EDO, not the EDP, that disallowed Choi's screening. Regarding instances of municipal corruption, they should be cited. E.g. 60 minutes piece, Oak Tree Pond acquisition.

D'accord. I would have taken it out myself (see the comment in the source), but I gave the anonymous editor a chance to alter it before altering it or sending up POV flags. Ah well, I guess we're in for it. —AllanBz 14:15, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC) (Reproduced below without commenting)

ahem. I always thought [Edison political machinery was long corrupt] as well, but felt it too POVish to write in, and note how I couched my language about the specific instances in a way that doesn't get anyone sued?

I'd also like to contribute my $.02 that the political section of this article is not very objective and takes a stance on things that a Wikipedia article should not.

The Wal-Mart controversy is mute and should be deleted from the wiki page as the store has already been built in November 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.117.232.33 (talk) 16:26, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Diversity

"Like all large municipalities in New Jersey, Edison is a diverse town, but probably the most predominantly white of all of New Jersey's large cities." Edison is a suburb, and is actually one of the most diverse in New Jersey. Only 25 years ago, Edison had practically no Asians. But Edison has more Indians, Chinese, and Koreans than any other town in the US. The Indian Miss America Pageant was even held here. —Hoogli

Uhh.. I meant NJ, not US. Hoogli 15:34, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not a fan of the passage either, but I can attest from personal history that there were Asians in North Edison 25 years ago.

I don't think the whole William Kruczak section needs to be such a major part of the article. It may be worth mentioning in a sentence or two, but I think something of that detail belongs in a seperate article. I think the whole Edison article in general had too much topical political material. The article could use either some trimming or more non-political info to balance it out.

I'll merely note here that you can refactor the page yourself. Remember, be bold in editing pages! → ( AllanBz ✎ ) 05:02, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

The schools section of the article is atrocious! I did my best to fix it, but it still induces headaches. —Hoogli

I don't understand why anyone would write "but probably the most predominantly white of all of New Jersey's large cities." about Edison. It's nickname is little India. It is VERY diverse. whoever wrote that sentence must have been referring to a different Edison, or they were just mistaken. I don't know about any Chinese people from Edison Hoogli, but I know plenty of South Koreans from Edison. Remilo (talk) 02:40, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Notable events

In 1994, in Edison Township, New Jersey, a natural gas transmission pipeline ruptured. The gas ignited, sending flames 400 to 500 feet upward and destroyed eight buildings. Examination of the ruptured pipe revealed previous mechanical damage to the exterior of the pipe that reduced its wall thickness. A crack grew to critical size when it then ruptured. Contributing to the rupture were brittle properties of the pipe material.

Statement by Rod Dyck, Associate Director, Pipeline Division, National Transportation Safety Board at a Pipeline Safety Hearing on November 15, 2000. http://www.ntsb.gov/events/2000/pipeline_hearing/overview_txt.htm

In March 1994, a rupture occured in a 36-inch gas transmission line in Edison Township, New Jersey. Within ninety seconds, the escaping high-pressure (975 psi) gas ignited, and the resultant fireball rose five hundred feet into the night sky. The rupture was the result of a previous gouge in the pipe made by excavating equipment sometime between 1986 and the date of the incident. Damage amounted to more than 25 million dollars, and the fire incinerated eight multifamily structures.

Page 69. Responding to "Routine" Emergencies by Frank C Montagna. 1999, Fire Engineering Books and Videos.

Heat from the explosion melted the tires of nearby parked cars. One death was reported, the result of a heart attack likely triggered by the explosion.

(Needs source)

Left here for others to paraphrase and cite.

Is there a citation for the statement "When the ruptured pipe was excavated they discovered a buried car that had been reported stolen by the owner and buried next to the pipe." --Vees 17:50, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Merge with Edison Township Public Schools

Keep both articles, expanding Edison Township Public Schools and reducing the education content in the Edison article. The proposal waw made to merge the content of Edison Township Public Schools into the Edison article. While well-intentioned, the shift needs to be in the opposite direction. The text regarding public education in the Edison article was copied and expanded to craete the Edison Township Public Schools article, as part of the efforts of WikiProject New Jersey to expand articles about education in new Jersey. As one of the largest districts in New Jersey, the Edison Township Public Schools deserve a standalone article. As text is added to the Public Schools article, the content of the Edison article will be trimmed down. Alansohn 13:39, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

1870 establishment

I'm putting this artivle in the 1870 establishment category. Although the area was settled well before that year, "The township, formed from parts of Woodbridge and Piscataway township was incorporated originally as "Raritan Township" in March" of 1870 according to the website. So, the current municipality exists since that year. If anyone disagrees, feel free to edit or remove it. --- Rogsheng 02:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Woodbrook Corners

Is Woodbrook Corners really a "notable place"? There are many similar residential subdivisions in Edison (and throughout NJ). I don't think it's worth it to list them all unless it's statistically notable (ie, largest by area, largest by population, oldest). Alternatively, places like Durham Woods would be notable because the Durham Woods Fire happened there. Wl219 01:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Information about Thomas A. Edison inaccurate

It says in the article: "It was in the Menlo Park Laboratory that Thomas Edison came up with his most famous inventions, including the phonograph and electric light." Technically, Edison didn't invent the light bulb, his researchers just revised the design to work longer and cooler. JSBillings 17:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I've made the following change: [1] Wl219 04:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

2007 election?

I'd like to add some information about the 2007 democratic primary, as it has become a "circus". However, I'm not sure how important it is, or will turn out to be. Any comments? Hoogli 15:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

As a rule Wikipedia should not contain any info speculating about future events or their possible importance. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wp:not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_crystal_ball. Cheers. Tendancer 18:46, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

The map

The map of Edison Township is either unclear or misleading. The article Township (New Jersey) states that townships are not further subdivided, this map would imply otherwise. Someone with more knowledge of the subject should try to clarify this somewhere, either by fixing the article or removing the map or adding some kind of explanation. IvoShandor (talk) 12:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

The new maps have some problems, see discussion here. As for enclaves within Townships, there are two things that match your description. I'm not sure which you are referring to.

1. Townships don't have further divisions as far as the NJ Government is concerned, but the Census Bureau or the Post Office may have names for places that don't match the township name. These are usually Census Designated Places. For example, see Priceton Junction, which is a CDP within West Windsor Township.
2. Also, a borough (or other form of government) may form within the borders of a township. That borough becomes a seperate municipality, even if it is fully surrounded by the township it was formerly part of. As an example, see Medford Lakes, which is geographically within Medford Township, but is politically independent.

Hope this helps. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 14:50, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

• Chris's explanation is correct, but to expand, I restored the old map, which more clearly shows the borders of the township. In Edison's case, this is a classic donut municipality, in which Metuchen, New Jersey is the hole in the donut. Metuchen is an independent borough surrounded by Edison (i.e., the donut). There may well be CDP's, zip codes or neighborhoods within the township, but (as in all of New Jersey), there are no independent municipalities that are part of some other municipality. I hope this helps. Alansohn (talk) 14:58, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Where does Menlo Park take its name from?

What is it named after? Thanks, Maikel (talk) 14:00, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Demographics

The racial makeup of the township was 55.8% White, 6.9% African American, 0.14% Native American, 17.3% Indian, 9% Asian, 2.4% Pacific Islander, 2% from Other races, and 2.2% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race was 6.4% of the population.

Why is Indian not included in the Asian statistics? I believe Indian is a subset of Asian, correct? - Ranmin (talk) 04:29, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

External links belong at article bottom

Wikipedia discourages external links within the text of an article. Please keep these at the bottom of the article and to a minimum, thank you. See: linking rules.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 14:35, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Unsourced material in need of sourcing

I've moved the following unsourced notables from the article's Notable residents section here until they can be properly sourced per WP:NOR/WP:V:

• Junot Díaz, writer.
• Vincent Minervino, musician, and member of the band Roses Are Red.
• David Rosenthal, keyboardist for Billy Joel
• Lewis Nixon (1918-1995), U.S. Army intelligence officer, made famous by the miniseries Band of Brothers.
• Jim Norton, comedian, actor, radio personality on the Opie and Anthony Show on XM Satellite Radio.
• Chris Snee (born 1982), guard for the New York Giants.
• George A. Spadoro, former Mayor, served in the New Jersey General Assembly.
• Mike Vallely (born 1970), professional skateboarder.
• Sabrina Wind Tobis (born 1968). Executive Producer, Desperate Housewives.
• William Toth, open-heart surgeon, helped pioneer open heart surgery with co-worker Dr. DeBakey.
• Brian Barry, Mike Miller, John Underwood and Mike Underwood - Members of the '90s alternative rock group, The Family Jewels.
• Junior Sanchez (born 1977), music producer, remixer, and DJ.

Nightscream (talk) 05:47, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Recent Events Section

While it's an interesting tidbit, it seems uncharacteristically opinionated. Also, what other towns have "Recent Event" sections anyway? Needs some re-writing. --RabidMonkeysEatGrass 19:10, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

2010 census information, which may be helpful.

http://factfinder2.census.gov/bkmk/table/1.0/en/DEC/10_PL/P1/0600000US3402320230 Laofmoonster (talk) 20:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

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Moved to talk - Notable places

• Advian, which in 2012 featured what was then the nation's largest solar rooftop installation at 17 acres (6.9 ha)

  Self-promotion. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 04:26, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

  What self-promotion?!?! The nation's largest rooftop solar installation, backed up by a reliable and verifiable source, is promoting what exactly? Alansohn (talk) 05:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

  It's a self-published, self-promoting source. Exactly the opposite of what NOT says to use. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 05:17, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

• Bochasanwasi Shri Akshar Purushottam Swaminarayan Sanstha (BAPS) has a Hindu temple on Woodbridge Avenue

  I cant access the ref, but I don't see how this could of encyclopedic value. Certainly is promotional though. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 04:27, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

• Bonhamtown, site of a battle during the American Revolutionary War
• Camp Kilmer, a World War II era army post, was partially located in what is now Edison.
• The Clara Barton downtown area, a community with its own downtown area near Woodbridge.
• Dismal Swamp, preserved wetlands area that also includes portions of Metuchen and South Plainfield.
• Durham Woods, a complex of several apartment buildings and scene of the Edison, New Jersey natural gas explosion in 1994, in which a 36-inch natural gas pipeline burst and exploded, destroying buildings in the area.
• Roosevelt Park, located near Menlo Park Mall.
• Edison Landfill, landfill site undergoing environmental cleanup since it was ordered closed in 1977.
• Edison has three public libraries: the Main Library is on Plainfield Avenue in South Edison, near Edison station; North Edison Branch is on Grove Avenue, and the Clara Barton Branch is in the Clara Barton downtown area, on Hoover Avenue. Library service also includes a popular bookmobile.

  Wikipedia is not a travel guide. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 18:17, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

• The Edison Municipal Complex, located off Route 27 next to the Edison Square/Clarion Hotel office park.

  I hope we can agree this is unreferenced SOAP. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 05:24, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

• Edison station in south Edison, offering service on NJ Transit's Northeast Corridor Line.
• Edison Towne Square located on U.S. Route 1, currently has a Sam's Club, a Topgolf and a Starbucks. There are plans to open an iFly Indoor Skydiving and an LA Fitness gym.
• ILR Landfill, closed landfill site owned by Industrial Land Reclaiming (ILR) providing power to Middlesex County's wastewater treatment operations from methane gas recovery.
• Jewish Community Center/YMCA or Community Campus located off Oak Tree Road.
• Kin-Buc Landfill, former landfill and Superfund site where 70 million US gallons (260,000 m³) of hazardous waste was dumped.
• Laing House of Plainfield Plantation, historic home built in the early 1700s when the region was being settled by Scottish Quakers in the late 17th and early 18th century.
• Menlo Park Mall, located at the intersection of Route 1 and Parsonage Road, has a gross leasable area of 1,260,703 square feet (117,123.1 m²).
• Nixon Park, a large neighborhood surrounding Lincoln School. A "cookie-cutter" development of three-bedroom homes built in the very early 1950s, homes there were largely purchased by WWII veterans using the GI Bill. Constructed at the same time, and adjoining Nixon Park, were the Lincoln Village, Vineyard Village and Washington Park developments. Children from Lincoln and Vineyard Villages attended Lincoln School. Washington Park surrounded both the Washington School and the Saint Matthew's Catholic School (grades 1–8).
• Oak Tree Road in Edison and the Iselin section of Woodbridge Township is known for its large concentration of Indian stores and restaurants.
• Raritan Center is one of the largest business parks in the northeastern United States.
• St. Helena Roman Catholic Church, off New Dover Road.
• The Thomas Alva Edison Memorial Tower and Museum, in Menlo Park, dedicated in 1938. Located in Edison State Park, at the site where its namesake inventor invented the incandescent light bulb and the phonograph.
• Udipi Sri Krishna Temple housing First Tulsi Mrithika Brindavana (Mobile) of Guru Raghavendra in the U.S. is a Hindu temple on May Street

  SOAP and REFSPAM.--Hipal/Ronz (talk) 05:19, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

References

I suggested going through the list to find anything that aren't WP:NOT violations. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 04:23, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

To expand on my previous comment above, NOT specifically tells us to find independent, reliable sources to determine if content is encyclopedic. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 18:15, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

To elaborate further, while the libraries exist, at those locations, we have no sources that demonstrate this content is of encyclopedic value. A township has libraries is to be expected. Numbering them, giving the locations, pointing out they have a bookmobile - this may be suitable for a detailed tourist guide and the township's self-promotion, but not for an encyclopedia article.

WP:PRESERVE says, As long as any facts or ideas would belong in an encyclopedia, which I think is a clear reference to WP:NOT.

WP:DON'T PRESERVE says, What Wikipedia is not describes material that is fundamentally inappropriate for Wikipedia

WP:NOT begins The amount of information on Wikipedia is practically unlimited, but Wikipedia is a digital encyclopedia and therefore does not aim to contain all data or expression found elsewhere.

NOT guides us to using independent, reliable sources. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 21:20, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

City rankings

@Hipal and Alansohn: I'm glad my edit yesterday led to this lively discussion. My edit removed what appeared to be promotional content (see also [2][3]). I would appreciate input about whether an RfC similar to this discussion would be appropriate. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 13:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing it up and pointing out the RfC. I agree the content is promotional. As you can see, we're having difficulties determining how to apply NOT and POV to this article.

My suggestion is to trim down who gave the awards and emphasize why the awards were given. Awards that don't give details deserve little or no mention. Awards that aren't clearly noteworthy deserve little or no mention. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 16:49, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Libraries

Libraries are a part of the city's govt & educational facilities. Appropriate for article of this type.Djflem (talk) 21:13, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

As a footnote maybe, unless there's something encyclopedic about them. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 23:18, 18 March 2020 (UTC)