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Mainland China Section

Conflicting information in the first paragraph in the first and last sentences. The first sentence cites a more recent source. One of the two numbers needs to be removed or corrected depending on the validity of the sources.

1. Roughly 20 million dogs are killed for consumption each year, making the People's Republic of China the world's largest consumer of dog meat.
2. approximately 10 million dogs each year are slaughtered for consumption.

After four months no one has gotten around to this, I changed the number in the last sentence to reflect the first sentence. I found the credibility of the source used for the 20 million number slightly more valid then the 10 million number's source. Either way a contradiction of 10 million shouldn't exist in the same paragraph. The Impartial Truth (talk) 08:48, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Philippines -- assertion removed

I have removed an assertion saying that the ban on the sale of dog meat was reinstated by President Ramos in 1998 in the Animal Welfare Act (Republic Act 8485). The assertion was added in this 2015 edit, and cites a supporting source which is not available online. I don't know whether or not the cited source supports the assertion, but the assertion is incorrect as can be seen in the act itself, which is cited elsewhere in the article. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:13, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2019

"In 2018, Humane Society International stated that South Korea was now the only country in Asia where dogs were reported to be routinely and intensively farmed for human consumption."

Should be located under region. Zeke7140 (talk) 12:26, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

​ Not done: This content is part of the lead section because there is already a large amount of coverage in the "By region" section. — Newslinger talk 13:31, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

"you're dog meat!"

I have a quibble: The only time I have ever heard the term "dog meat" in my long life in the USA is in the phrase "you are dog meat" in which case it is slang that means hyperbollically "I will feed you to my dogs" rather than "you are a tasty and delicious cut of canine". This is after all "en." and we speak "en" here. 98.7.201.234 (talk) 20:44, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2019

The consumption of dog meat in Korean culture can be traced through history. Dog bones[further explanation needed] were excavated in a neolithic settlement in Changnyeong, South Gyeongsang Province. A wall painting in the Goguryeo Tombs complex in South Hwangghae Province, a World Heritage site which dates from the 4th century AD, depicts a slaughtered dog in a storehouse. The Balhae people also enjoyed dog meat, and the modern-day tradition of canine cuisine seems to have come from that era.[111]

The source for this quote does not provide any evidence for the given description. Zeke7140 (talk) 12:31, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

 Not done Where is the Source? Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 04:43, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request in 2019

Please add enokoromeshi into the Japan section. It is a famous food in Kagoshima from 1600s to 1800s, way beyond 675 AD. Details in Japanese Wikipedia. The Ryukyus has a history of dog meat consumption until recently as well. --146.96.147.137 (talk) 03:48, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Also, the dog meat has special value in Korean culture. In April 1970, Zhou Enlai was surprised that he was treated an all-dog-meat (dangogi) state dinner in Pyongyang (http://history.sohu.com/20131014/n388030429.shtml) as in tranditional Hanzu culture dog meat is considered eaten by poor people (wikt:掛羊頭賣狗肉). Zhou Enlai, who originally does not eat dog meat, criticized his fellow traveler Du Xiuxian for being impolite by negating others' efforts and asked him to eat. (http://books.sina.com/gb/funny/focus/20130401/184043795.html) --146.96.147.137 (talk) 03:57, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Also, I have noted that "Native Northern Americans" is written in a way as if they have neither US, Canadian or Mexican citizenship. I suspect if there's any discrimination here. AFAIF for all other cultural aspects the US claims AIAN and Pacific Islander culture a part of US civilization. Applying a different standard to whatever you don't like and exclude them from the US doesn't seem correct. --146.96.147.137 (talk) 04:13, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

 Partly done: Taking these one at a time:

• Since enokoromeshi is currently a redlink (i.e., there is not English Wikipedia article on it currently) there is little benefit to mentioning that particular dish but the section on Japan later did mention consumption in that time period. I've re-arranged it to remove the internal inconsistency and clarify the timeline.
• The anecdote presented seems to relate more to Chinese attitudes towards dog meat and not Korean ones. That said, I am not sure the source for this meets the requirements of the policies on use of reliable sources.
• The phrase "Native North Americans" neither states nor implies anything about citizenship. It means those peoples who were indigenous to the North American continent in pre-Colombian times as opposed to, say, those from South America. The rest of the request about this point does not make any sense in this context.

Finally, in the future, please read the instructions given for making edit requests, which specifically state: "...the request must be of the form "please change X to Y." I hope this helps.Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 03:49, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Europe section

There are currently two subcategories for the UK (Britain and Ireland and United Kingdom). One of them needs to be removed, or they need to be combined. Fradel12 (talk) 17:47, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Dog meat and the acceptance of the entertainment factor of agony during killing, life cooking or eating?

I'd like to get your insights and collaboration in drafting a paragraph on this. Herewith some elements.

• Humans have a natural learning drive - we want to learn - we want to find new relevant information; our limbic brain system rewards us with hormones that work like drugs - are drugs - whenever we find relevant information, food, water, team members to achieve something we cannot achieve alone, protection, safety, shelter, etc. The unified
• The issue in poor regions - especially regions with a warm climate - where the cold chain is inexistent, meat/fish/seafood etc turn bad in minutes, and it is custom to show customer things are fresh by slaughtering on site with the customer looking to be sure the product is at least fresh.
• In some regions/cultures it is ok to eat pigs, cows and horses, but you would hurt people in India where the cow is a holy animal, and the country side of the UK where there is a cult of how "noble" horses are.
• Anthropo-morphism or personification: the tendency to characterize animals, objects, and abstract concepts as possessing human-like traits, emotions, and intentions. As per "List of cognitive biases". So when human like characteristics are retained in animals in a certain culture, then it is not ok to do these animals as much harm as animals that don't have human like characteristics or don't look as much like us s.a. a squid or oyster - which is perfectly normal to eat alive in certain cultures. A pig is ok to eat, but a dog and horse often not in Western cultures, although it is know that a pig is more intelligent than a dog.
• Fun experimenting, even in many developed countries: e.g.
  • "At the country side, cut off the head of a chicken and make it run around in front of kids and friends.",
  • "Just before eating a life oyster and showing kids how it moves when you poke in it",
  • "Pulling the wings out of a fly and observe it run around", ...

Sorry nor more time. SvenAERTS (talk) 15:22, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

India

This content removal saying There is no such provision in the constitution of India. caught my eye. The removed content does not mention the constitution of India. I did not revert the removal, however because, even though cited PETA source does assert, "PETA India also notes that killing dogs for meat is illegal under Section 429 of the Indian Penal Code, 1860, and Section 11 of The Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act, 1960", I was unable to verify those assertions in THE PREVENTION OF CRUELTY TO ANIMALS ACT, 1960 and Section 429 in The Indian Penal Code. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 17:42, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

No need to list all these countries

The article now lists tons of countries saying just “COUNTRYNAME has no animal welfare laws, including any prohibition on killing dogs for consumption.” That’s unnecessary noise. We don’t need to list countries without sources saying that dog eating is practiced or at least banned there. I’m going to coalesce these into something like “Most countries don’t forbid dog slaughter.”--Brinerat (talk) 14:46, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Still needs more cleanup. I’m going to:

• Remove mentions of isolated incidents, like people jailed for selling dog meat as mutton in Afghanistan [1], or a controversy in Zealand [2]. Not an established cultural practice, may happen anywhere, hence not notable.
• Move survival situations (famine, polar expeditions) into separate section, without splitting by country, as it does not involve a cultural practice.
• Separate historical and modern cultural practices.

--Brinerat (talk) 16:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

All three seem like good ideas. Normal Op (talk) 17:38, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

"you're dog meat!"

I have a quibble: The only time I have ever heard the term "dog meat" in my long life in the USA is in the phrase "you are dog meat" in which case it is slang that means hyperbollically "I will feed you to my dogs" rather than "you are a tasty and delicious cut of canine". This is after all "en." and we speak "en" here. 98.7.201.234 (talk) 20:44, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

I agree. When I first spied this article, I was thinking of food you fed to dogs. Turns out this is an animal rights sort of article. Normal Op (talk) 03:28, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

I react to the photos as people typically did to reading The Jungle. The issue isn't that the meat is dog. The issue is that it is sitting out in the open, without refrigeration or plastic wrap, welcoming all the flies. The non-dog meat is equally horrifying. 97.104.89.121 (talk) 07:41, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Homo sapien has existed as a meat eating species for 300,000 years, and our meat eating hominid ancestors lived for millions of years prior. Note that they did not die out from eating tainted meat. Instead, they flourished. Widespread household mechanical refrigeration is barely 100 years old, though lab experiments go back another century or more. Benjamin Franklin did some tests. Plastic wrap was developed in 1949, just three years before my birth. "Horrifying" is a modern attitude representing a truly tiny sliver of human life, which perfected meat preservation techniques like drying, salting and smoking many millenia ago. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:03, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

We very nearly did die out 70,000 years ago. We were down to roughly a thousand reproductive adults. One study says we hit as low as 40. See https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2012/10/22/163397584/how-human-beings-almost-vanished-from-earth-in-70-000-b-c Cutelyaware (talk) 02:51, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Illegal and Unethical

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Wikipedia MUST NOT encourage activities that's ILLEGAL in Most of the countries regardless of it's Policies . Saiful Trismegistus (talk) 10:18, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

You haven't provided evidence that the photos and content you removed will in fact encourage anything. wp:PROVEIT. People eat it. Maybe these grusome photos will encourage people not to eat it or fight for laws against it? Adakiko (talk) 10:35, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

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