Talk:Doctor of Ministry
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editI removed: " "There are highly respected programs of mainline (e.g. Princeton, Iliff, Drew, ACTS) or evangelical (e.g. Fuller, Gordon-Conwell) seminaries / universities and dubious programs where scientific research (e.g. theories of evolution and gravity) is largely denied."
This seems a little NPOV. Hopquick 20:34, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Doutor em Ministério
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O Doutorado em Ministério (D.Min.) é um grau profissional avançado, elaborado com o propósito de fortalecer as áreas de competência dos ministros, habilitá-los a desempenhar melhor as tarefas essenciais do ministério pastoral e desenvolver uma estratégia ministerial cuja visão apele aos corações e mentes cristãs e não-cristãs. O curso é oferecido para líderes que estejam envolvidos no ministério pastoral. . Em contraste com graus acadêmicos tais como o Ph.D. e o Th.D., a ênfase primária do D.Min. é a excelência no exercício do ministério e não o preparo para a docência pós-graduada. A formação versa sobre os fundamentos bíblicos, teológicos e ministeriais previamente adquiridos no bacharelado e/ou mestrado em teologia. O DMin é dotado de capacidade de análise coerente dos desafios atuais da igreja latino-americana, fornecer subsídios para um ministério integral e orientado à luz dos fundamentos teológicos do ministério pastoral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Santosreinaldo (talk • contribs) 12:34, 10 December 2012 (UTC) Doutor em MinistérioeditO Doutorado em Ministério (D.Min.) é um grau profissional/teológico avançado, elaborado com o propósito de fortalecer as áreas de competência dos ministros, habilitá-los a desempenhar melhor as tarefas essenciais do ministério pastoral e desenvolver uma estratégia ministerial cuja visão apele aos corações e mentes cristãs e não-cristãs. O curso é oferecido para líderes que estejam envolvidos no ministério pastoral. . Em contraste com graus acadêmicos tais como o Ph.D. e o Th.D., a ênfase primária do D.Min. é a excelência no exercício do ministério e não o preparo para a docência pós-graduada. A formação versa sobre os fundamentos bíblicos, teológicos e ministeriais previamente adquiridos no bacharelado e/ou mestrado em teologia. O DMin é dotado de capacidade de análise coerente dos desafios atuais da igreja latino-americana, fornecer subsídios para um ministério integral e orientado à luz dos fundamentos teológicos do ministério pastoral. Doutor em MinistérioeditO Doutorado em Ministério (D.Min.) é um grau profissional/teológico avançado, elaborado com o propósito de fortalecer as áreas de competência dos ministros, habilitá-los a desempenhar melhor as tarefas essenciais do ministério pastoral e desenvolver uma estratégia ministerial cuja visão apele aos corações e mentes cristãs e não-cristãs. O curso é oferecido para líderes que estejam envolvidos no ministério pastoral. . Em contraste com graus acadêmicos tais como o Ph.D. e o Th.D., a ênfase primária do D.Min. é a excelência no exercício do ministério e não o preparo para a docência pós-graduada. A formação versa sobre os fundamentos bíblicos, teológicos e ministeriais previamente adquiridos no bacharelado e/ou mestrado em teologia. O DMin é dotado de capacidade de análise coerente dos desafios atuais da igreja latino-americana, fornecer subsídios para um ministério integral e orientado à luz dos fundamentos teológicos do ministério pastoral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Santosreinaldo (talk • contribs) 12:35, 10 December 2012 (UTC) |
Relevant photo?
editNovaseminary removed the photo I added of doctoral candidates in academic regalia at their hooding ceremony, saying it was in "good faith", but did not "add to understanding of the subject." Does the same criticism then apply to the Doctor of Arts, Doctor of Music, and Doctor of Divinity pages, which all use photos images of academic regalia? I was merely copying what I saw other similar pages doing and trying to add a relevant photo. -- Tytonidae (talk) 17:43, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- A photo of a few people in academic regalia, which probably reflects as much on the particular school and degree level as on the particular degree, does not meet WP:IRELEV which says"Images must be relevant to the article that they appear in and be significantly and directly related to the article's topic." I don't see how this photo is significantly and directly related to the article about the Doctor of Ministry degree. It might be a fine photo to include on an article about any of those people, or about Graduation, or academic regalia. It might even be ok for inclusion at George Fox Evangelical Seminary, though a higher quality or more representative photo could probably be found. But it tells/shows us nothing about this degree, and should not be included on this article. Novaseminary (talk) 02:22, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
- It is my understanding that this is the specific regalia for this degree and that it is used at all schools. That's why the Oxford regalia is shown on the Doctor of Divinity page, because the regalia is the same at others schools as it is at Oxford. -- Tytonidae (talk) 16:35, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
- I think your understanding is wrong. Much of most schools' academic regalia is not unique to the specific degree. The major differences within a school's regalia, and in general, are among the levels of degree (bachelors, masters, doctoral, etc.). Likewise, some schools have their own robe for the school rather than using black with various stripes or no stripes based on the level. That is, regalia from two different disciplines at the same level at the same school most often look more similar to each other (and probably only differ in the color of the inside of the hood at the masters or doctoral levels) than the same discipline and level at two different universities (where the inside of the hood would be the same, but everything else could be different from each other). You can read more about it here or an example from Stanford here. In the photo, the only thing unique to the M.Div (or theology) is the scarlet of the hood. The rest is based on the school, though it appears that school uses a standard black robe. The school doesn't even list out unique regalia for the M.Div on their regalia webpage or a commercial site. Some schools use a tam for their M.Divs,, other a mortar board. From this photo alone, without knowing the school or having the photo info, one might not even know the graduates were M.Div. graduates (the three stripes often signal a doctoral degree; probably because the M.Div. is a three year degree, not the 1 or 2 of most other masters degrees, some schools group M.Divs with doctoral degrees for regalia, some the same as other masters degree). As for the Oxford D.D. dress, according to the relevant Wikipedia article, this seems unique to Oxford, not standard for D.D. degrees. Perhaps that should be removed, too. Novaseminary (talk) 03:49, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for your lengthy reply and clarification. I think I see what you mean now. -- Tytonidae (talk) 18:01, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
- I think your understanding is wrong. Much of most schools' academic regalia is not unique to the specific degree. The major differences within a school's regalia, and in general, are among the levels of degree (bachelors, masters, doctoral, etc.). Likewise, some schools have their own robe for the school rather than using black with various stripes or no stripes based on the level. That is, regalia from two different disciplines at the same level at the same school most often look more similar to each other (and probably only differ in the color of the inside of the hood at the masters or doctoral levels) than the same discipline and level at two different universities (where the inside of the hood would be the same, but everything else could be different from each other). You can read more about it here or an example from Stanford here. In the photo, the only thing unique to the M.Div (or theology) is the scarlet of the hood. The rest is based on the school, though it appears that school uses a standard black robe. The school doesn't even list out unique regalia for the M.Div on their regalia webpage or a commercial site. Some schools use a tam for their M.Divs,, other a mortar board. From this photo alone, without knowing the school or having the photo info, one might not even know the graduates were M.Div. graduates (the three stripes often signal a doctoral degree; probably because the M.Div. is a three year degree, not the 1 or 2 of most other masters degrees, some schools group M.Divs with doctoral degrees for regalia, some the same as other masters degree). As for the Oxford D.D. dress, according to the relevant Wikipedia article, this seems unique to Oxford, not standard for D.D. degrees. Perhaps that should be removed, too. Novaseminary (talk) 03:49, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
- It is my understanding that this is the specific regalia for this degree and that it is used at all schools. That's why the Oxford regalia is shown on the Doctor of Divinity page, because the regalia is the same at others schools as it is at Oxford. -- Tytonidae (talk) 16:35, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
- A photo of a few people in academic regalia, which probably reflects as much on the particular school and degree level as on the particular degree, does not meet WP:IRELEV which says"Images must be relevant to the article that they appear in and be significantly and directly related to the article's topic." I don't see how this photo is significantly and directly related to the article about the Doctor of Ministry degree. It might be a fine photo to include on an article about any of those people, or about Graduation, or academic regalia. It might even be ok for inclusion at George Fox Evangelical Seminary, though a higher quality or more representative photo could probably be found. But it tells/shows us nothing about this degree, and should not be included on this article. Novaseminary (talk) 02:22, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
