Talk:Discord/Archive 2

Copyright Violation?

Some of this article is identical to content at https://golden.com/wiki/Discord-VD8DMN including marketing phrases you don't normally see on Wikipedia such as "in celebration of its sixth anniversary" and "improving the user onboarding experience". Did we copy from them or did they copy from us? 2600:1700:D0A0:21B0:C9FA:98C4:20BB:3D4B (talk) 21:35, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

They copied us in February 2022. -- ferret (talk) 22:23, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Addition of custom status in user profile.

Ok, so after a heart attack in editing this, and doing stupid things later, I still believe my edits to be included. Here are the reasons. -It's a large part of your profile on discord, you have four things you can display, your username and tag, profile picture and banner, about me, and custom statuses. -It was missing from the article.

Why did I revert that much times? -I was stupid, I am still new and I have still ZERO idea on how to edit the source of documents. -It was simply a miscommunication. I was gonna revert the things he did, and then edit it one more time to add my new sources. How ever that resulted in an edit conflict. And I don't know how to deal with it so I just pressed publish. -I later changed sources.

TL:DR I messed up because I'm new and now I'm trying to peacefully resolve the situation.(forgot to sign) Randomdudewithinternet (talk) 19:49, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Start by reading WP:SECONDARY and WP:RS. What we're looking for is a reliable secondary source about this feature, which helps us establish why this is even worth mentioning at all. The client and service has many minor unimportant features, and this is one such. For example, the Fandom source you used is unreliable, per WP:USERG. Discord.com doesn't work, as it's a PRIMARY source. -- ferret (talk) 20:07, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

I would like to argue, not violently or an edit war, but I would feel like discord[.]com should be applicable in this situation, as we are talking about a feature on their site. They ultimately have the say in this situation. But I'll try to look for secondary sources anyways Randomdudewithinternet (talk) 20:34, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

See WP:NOT and WP:UNDUE. We don't have to, and generally shouldn't, cover every single trivial detail about something. The use of secondary sources helps us determine when a particular detail rises to a level important enough to present it to our readers. That you can set a custom status is hardly critical to the topic's understanding. Especially, per WP:NOTHOWTO, we don't need to explain the exact limitations and use of the feature. -- ferret (talk) 21:14, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

The feature is pretty important, as I would say, as a discord user. As it allows people to know what you're going. A lot of people do use this feature. It's not a end all be all feature, but it certainly is an important one. But I can settle with a mention of this feature, as it has received a lot of fan fair on twitter. (discord in 2019 is obviously smaller) https://twitter.com/discord/status/1187849466620956673?lang=en Randomdudewithinternet (talk) 23:36, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

I do not feel you're reading my messages. Have you read the links I provided in regards to secondary sources and reliable sources? Discord is a PRIMARY source on this topic. Their own Twitter message doesn't aid your argument. We don't add things based on our own personal feeling on whether something is true or important, but it's coverage in secondary sources. -- ferret (talk) 23:45, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

I HAVE been reading your messages in fact. No, I am not talking about the fact that they tweeted something I am talking about the ENGAGEMENT of the tweet. I know Wikipedia doesn't add opinions. Here are the sources to demonstrate it's significance.

-https://deasilex.com/best-discord-status/

-https://www.pinterest.com/Shibbiers/discord-statuses/

-https://techwafer.com/funny-discord-status-to-use/

-https://www.makeuseof.com/how-to-change-your-discord-online-status/

Despite the fact that they are talking about smart of funny discord statuses the fact that they're making these articles almost every 6 months proves how popular it is. Literally google discord statuses if you're not content. And also I said I will be happy with a brief mention of the discord status in the user profile section. And also try to be more open towards newcomers. All the best --Randomdudewithinternet (talk) 21:15, 25 June 2022 (UTC).

The engagement is irrelevant to Wikipedia. Of course Discord has a high engagement, but the "up votes" and "likes" and comments are WP:USERG as well.

Deasilex is a blog, which are unreliable. Pinterest is USERG, already pointed out to you. Most social media is USERG. Techwafer describes itself as a blog and I question it's general reliability. MakeUseOf is the strongest source here. However it's very clearly a how to / help document, and also doesn't support the various details you want to include. It's not making any critical commentary about the feature, simply noting it exists as part of a guide. I don't feel it's strong enough for inclusion.

Please don't toss a "be more open" at me. I've taking a lot of time to engage you and guide you to the right guidelines here. -- ferret (talk) 21:29, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Sigh my brain is fried you win. Randomdudewithinternet (talk) 23:37, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2022

Change the discord stable release version from 137650 to 142510. TreesOnTop (talk) 19:58, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@TreesOnTop Please give us reliable sources that support the change. Thinker78 (talk) 16:40, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Per Thinker78 ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:40, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

If you look on the app it will tell you what the version is. There won't be a news source for every time the stable release version is updated. Keeping it as an older version just because you can't find a RS probably means we shouldn't have the section there at all. ― TUNA × 17:13, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Thinker78 This is a situation where a WP:PRIMARY source is perfectly acceptable. You may want to ponder who you're replying to when you quote all those guidelines. I'm well aware of all of them. At the moment we're stuck either forever displaying inaccurate information, or using the clear and obvious facts that can be PRIMARY sourced to ensure it's accurate. Versions are rarely covered by secondary sources. Additionally, you restored outdated 'unsourced' information, as the only source present is for the old Preview release, which I removed. The "latest" release listed is currently unsourced regardless. I'm not sure why you would restore my removal of the preview release information since you yourself have noted that the source does not apply and is unquestionably WP:USERG and unreliable besides. -- ferret (talk) 17:30, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Ferret. I generally do not check who I reply to when editing a page or reverting, I only check Wikipedia guidance. I did not object to a primary source. The reason I restored outdated info is because it had a citation and there was a notice regarding that citation. I did not restore the data that I reverted previously because there was already an edit request about that. We were waiting for reliable sources, which not necessarily need to be secondary. I tried to find some but was unsuccessful and did not know how to read the technical info in the citation.

If you deem the citation unreliable, we can work from there. Although I have to mention that WP:USERG is a guideline and it uses the word "generally". Context matters. But in my opinion, there needs to be a reference for the information at hand. Otherwise, people can put whatever number harder to verify. Expecting editors to have Discord to check the info is not proper. But Im not sure if that was what you were saying when you wrote "the client" on your edit summary. Thinker78 (talk) 22:52, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Thinker78 The Discord software, "the client", displays the version in the options panel. This is a WP:PRIMARY source that is easily accessible and verifiable without deep technical knowledge, per WP:PRIMARY bullet 3. This is freely available and has no real barrier to check. As for the github in use now, this is someone's personal data mining project with *no actual connection* to the Discord platform. It is a user-generated source and inherently unreliable. I'm not sure why you are pointing out that WP:RS (Where USERG is from) is a guideline while simultaneously demanding an RS? I will be reverting to my version, with the current easily verified release version and removing the outdated and unreliably sourced preview version. This is far more proper and inline with guidelines than what we have now. -- ferret (talk) 22:59, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Alternatively, remove the version information entirely. I don't believe it's that important. But this infobox field is almost ALWAYS a WP:PRIMARY sourced field when it is in use. -- ferret (talk) 23:01, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Since Discord does not actively promote its version number unlike other software (like browsers) I tend to agree its not required to be included. Masem (t) 23:04, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Most versions don't even get a change log note. But regardless, the number is safely within the realm of what WP:PRIMARY allow. It's just also meaningless. So we should either keep it up to date, as I have done, or just remove it, as the number means nothing on it's own. -- ferret (talk) 23:08, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Ferret If your revert was not an administrative action that legitimately overrules this thread per Wikipedia guidance, I think you should wait for consensus, per WP:INVOLVED. Thinker78 (talk) 23:10, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

This isn't something that requires the talk page to reach a formal close. Can you provide a policy backed reason for us to keep the unreliably and outdated content that you want? The edit you wish to restore is a direct violation of WP:RS. Keeping status quo for the mere sake of it is not helpful. As mentioned above, I'm also ok with removing the content entirely, if you'd like. What I'm not ok is you insisting on keeping unreliable sources and failed verification. -- ferret (talk) 23:17, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Let's remove the version number. I definitely see this as a WP:BLUE situation where it is blatantly obvious what the correct stable version number is (verifiable through launching the Discord software itself). Theoretically, we could have some kind of awkward citation like <ref>[https://discord.com/download Discord application - User Settings menu]. Retrieved 2022-08-23.</ref>. However, as others have mentioned above, the specific version number is pretty meaningless for an application like Discord; my guess is it probably changes anytime the Discord developers push any trivial code change to production, and I'm not a fan of forcing Wikipedia editors to have to constantly update the number every time this happens. Mz7 (talk) 01:09, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@Mz7 It is not reasonable to require editors to install software to verify information in Wikipedia articles. Besides, I don't think it is obvious the version number. I do have Discord and I have never seen it obvious that I have x or y version. If the version number doesn't have reliable sources that backs it, then I am in favor of removing it as well. Thinker78 (talk) 18:24, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

It's not unreasonable, any more than we might "require" an editor to go to a library to find a physical book to verify something. It is the editor's choice whether or not that is a step they wish to take, but the ability to do so has no remarkable barrier, per WP:PRIMARY. -- ferret (talk) 18:32, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@Thinker78: It's definitely a nonstandard approach, and I'm not really a big fan of it either (hence why I am most supportive of omitting the information entirely), but I will say that if it were a choice between going with what you can see in the Discord app and going with the version you kept trying to revert to, I would definitely say go with the Discord app. The version you reverted to is clearly problematic: in addition to being outdated, you yourself correctly flagged the cited source as "irrelevant". See also WP:SOURCEACCESS: Do not reject reliable sources just because they are difficult or costly to access. Some reliable sources are not easily accessible. In this case, Discord would be a reliable source for mundane information about Discord itself (see WP:ABOUTSELF). Mz7 (talk) 04:58, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

@Ferret: I am not insisting in keeping "unreliably and outdated content". I am insisting in looking for consensus and adding a reliable source for the content, because it doesn't seem to be obvious information, per WP:INFOBOXCITE. Thinker78 (talk) 18:18, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Well you're simply wrong then. WP:PRIMARY is policy and perfectly fine to use for this, though its now moot as plenty agree to simply removing it. In reverting me though, you restored unreliably and outdated information, and kept insisting it should be restored. Please consider that in your future edits. Developing a consensus does not require or necessitate keeping content in place that violates policies/guidelines. It's fine to fix clearly wrong material and continue discussing. -- ferret (talk) 18:22, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Sorry Ferret, but I don't understand why you keep pointing out WP:PRIMARY. I already stated that Im not in opposition of using primary sources as reference for the information. The problem is that you restored information citing your word, instead of adding the source you accessed. With this interpretation, then editors wouldn't be required to place inline citations if they merely read the information on a reliable source themselves. I don't think this is proper.

I think maybe your opinion is that the version number of Discord is obvious. I don't see how it is obvious, specially to the non-technical reader of Wikipedia who may not even have Discord. But yes, I am in favor also of removing the version number per the above discussion. Thinker78 (talk) 18:38, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2022

Change Hammel & Chisel to Hammer & Chisel https://twitter.com/discord/status/951774194307682305 207.81.187.41 (talk) 01:51, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done EnIRtpf09b^{chat with me} 07:19, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

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Archive

Someone manually created a new archive page while the bot was still adding sections to the first, which meant that the archives became out of order. I've blanked the second archive and merged the sections into the first archive, so everything should be in order now. --Spekkios (talk) 22:33, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Research Process and Methodology - FA22 - Sect 201 - Thu

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 21 September 2022 and 8 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Kathyljy (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Kathyljy (talk) 13:31, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

New font

Discord has recently rolled out a new font for the entire platform which they call "GG sans". So far I've only found 2 articles about it. 1 (which seems relatively reliable, the guy who wrote the article says they're a computer science engineer) seems to go into some detail about the crticism of people about Discord not providing any previews on the font preventing people from being able to provide feedback. The other (which I have concerns about the reliability of due to the sheer amount of ads on the website) seems to go into some detail about the font and the reasoning behind the name. (1st source is sort of a 2 part, one before it was released and one after it was released. part 1 is here and part 2 is here. Second source is here). Seem like something to add to the criticism section? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:17, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Not every significant change in the UI needs to be documented, and barring any major commentary about the font, its not necessary to include. Things like the servce subscription offers, on the other hand, are significant to include. Masem (t) 20:36, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Oh I know that not every change needs to be documented. Just figured I'd ask if it should be added given the current sources. There might be more sources to come since the font was only just rolled out yesterday so I guess we'll just have to wait and see. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:42, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

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Pentagon leaks

Please add that Discord are cooperating with law enforcement.

Discord is "cooperating with law enforcement" in regard to the leak. 38.49.194.196 (talk) 12:53, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2023

change "Seven years ago" to "Eight years ago" due to it being Discord's birthday today Tsukara (talk) 17:58, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Can be done. ~ AC5230 talk 18:01, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Cannot be done. It automatically updates. I'm sort of stupid ~ AC5230 talk 18:02, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

@AC5230 The article just needed a purge to refresh the template. I've done so. -- ferret (talk) 13:25, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Oh. That tracks. ~ AC5230 talk 01:14, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2023

Add "Discord is primarily used by video gamers" to the lead. Sources: [1] [2] [3] [4]. This is a pretty important detail that should be made clear to readers. 136.22.20.39 (talk) 03:50, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done: Actualcpscm (talk) 19:38, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Remove References to VOIP 10 July 2023

It's very unusual to refer to an instant messaging platform with voice/video capabilities as VOIP. The use of VOIP is usually reserved for services that interop with existing circuit-switching based telephony networks (i.e. you can use VOIP to dial a traditional phone number) Discord does not support the dialing of phone numbers therefore it should not be referred to as VOIP. Furthermore, this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_VoIP_companies Does not list other instant messaging platforms that do not support calling phone numbers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.215.3.205 (talk) 18:19, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sold that this is incorrect use of the term VOIP. Especially not in regards to the List of VoIP companies, which is definitely incomplete and wholly unsourced. -- ferret (talk) 19:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

The current screenshot needs improvement

Main features of Discord like Servers or messaging are completely left out in the screenshot. A non-free image should display what can't be illustrated with words, and in its current form, it fails to do so. Carpimaps (talk) 11:07, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Current image is fine, showing the basic layout of the UI. No screenshot is going to capture and show every aspect, and showing a live server runs into privacy and promotional issues. -- ferret (talk) 13:24, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, one screenshot cannot capture all aspect of an application. And I am not suggesting to take a screenshot of a random live server. I just wished the current screenshot showed the messaging feature of this application. Ca ^{talk to me!} 16:46, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2023

discord is going to buy skype 173.174.198.169 (talk) 14:02, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:19, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2023

Discord has had problems with hostile behavior and abuse within chats, with some communities of chat servers being "raided" (the taking over of a server by a large number of users) by other communities. This includes flooding chats with controversial topics related to race, religion, politics, and pornography.[97] Discord has stated that it has plans to implement changes that would "rid the platform of the issue".[98] should be edited to state Discord has had problems with hostile behavior and abuse within chats, with some communities of chat servers being "raided" (the taking over of a server by a large number of users,destroying aka nuking the server using malicious bots,giving everyone dangerous permissions or otherwise causing desctruction to a community) by other communities/users. This includes flooding chats with controversial topics related to race, religion, politics, and pornography.[97] Discord has stated that it has plans to implement changes that would "rid the platform of the issue" and has implemented primitive messures to do so like it's report raid feature.[98] Angelfencer (talk) 01:22, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:31, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIQAu0Sd5s0 there is a source sorry for that Angelfencer (talk) 01:35, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Angelfencer: That appears to be a YouTube video published by a non-expert, so it is not reliable. Visit that link above for exactly what a reliable source is and also please visit the Teahouse if you have any questions about editing. ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:48, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

my bad for this and my apologises for being way to new Angelfencer (talk) 01:54, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Don't apologize, it's normal to not know the inner workings of wikipedia on your first edits. (I know that I made many mistakes.) I hope that you continue to contribute :) ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 02:12, 22 September 2023 (UTC)