Talk:Die Vecna Die!

Reference for edition comment?

Recent edit refers to the difference between 2nd and 3rd edition D&D being due to Vecna's actions in the module. Is there a reference for this? That sounds very interesting, but is there an official source on it? Fairsing 06:14, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

• I've seen an official source, I just need some time to find it again. Thanos6 07:14, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
• http://www.gamebanshee.com/forums/printthread.php?t=20574

http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=4751111&postcount=10 Thanos6 07:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for looking for an official source. These two postings are interesting, but they are 3rd party reports (themselves unsourced), so an actual official reference would I think be necessary to justify including the information in the encyclopedia. Fairsing 19:40, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

"Near the end of 2E, WotC began promoting a set of adventures purportedly designed with the sole purpose of destroying your game world in mind. In actuality, what was understood (but never said) was that these adventures would be what you used to end Second Edition and begin Third Edition in your campaign.

"The Apocalypse Stone was meant for any homebrew worlds. It was careful to be vague in referring to gods, and the locations were easy to insert as being somewhere remote and unexplored. There were some connections to other products (for example, talking about Grand Duke Moloch and the Reckoning of Hell, from Guide to Hell), but by-and-large it could be used in any non-specific world. Looking at the end of the product, it's quite obvious that it's laying the groundwork for 3E, since it talks about how the aftershocks of the adventure being the cause of half-orcs, monks, barbarians, and sorcerers all becoming prevalent.

"Die Vecna Die was the flip-side to The Apocalypse Stone. Whereas The Apocalypse Stone was meant to be used for a generic campaign workd, Die Vecna Die was meant to be used in the holistic 2E multiverse. The adventure began on Oerth (the World of Greyhawk), went to Ravenloft, and then ended in Sigil (the main setting for the Planescape campaign). The end of the adventure ends in all reality (in all space and time) being restructed, hence why the current campaigns (Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk, etc.) are now in 3E and not 2E. In effect, Die Vecna Die is the reason everything the multiverse switched editions."

http://www.enworld.org/printthread.php?t=41559&page=2&pp=40 Thanos6 07:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Terrific reference. It does seem entirely possible that WotC intended DVD! to explain the difference between 2E and 3E, they just never oficially announced it. I therefore added a qualifier to the article that the explanation has been made "by some fans" to clarify that it wasn't an official WotC announcement or anything like that. Not sure whether to add a reference to The Apocalypse Stone to this article or not, but if you think that makes sense too, go for it. Kudos to Thanos6 for all the great research here! Fairsing 16:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Here's a source which details a response which explicitly states the connection between Die Vecna Die and the edition change. --Muna (talk) 19:38, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Notability

I note that the notability cleanup template has been replaced by the importance cleanup template for reasons that have not been explained. Since there are no reference cited in the is article, there is no evidence of notability at all, so would be interest to hear why other editors think this topic is notable in the absence of any evidence. --Gavin Collins (talk) 21:34, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

The reason has already been explained on your talk page. -Drilnoth (talk) 21:46, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

• A valid reason was not given on my talk page; you basically stated that you relaced it because you don't like it. That is not a good reason in my view. --Gavin Collins (talk) 22:03, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I did not know we were bowing to your view of these thngs. Web Warlock (talk) 22:28, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I have added further explanation on the WikiProject talk page, but will repeat it here to keep the conversation together. A combination of the {{[[Template:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]]}} and {{primarysources}} indicate the same article issues as {{notability}} does, but without th impending threat of deletion. The use of the former two instead of simply the later will give the project the time that we need to fix the article. -Drilnoth (talk) 23:16, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I've added three reliable secondary sources. -Drilnoth (talk) 23:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm with Drilnoth here; this is clearly at least as notable as any of the other D&D modules, each of which has their own page. This one has the additional notability of (1) being about an iconic D&D character and furthering its plot, (2) being one of the few modules that takes place across multiple campaign worlds, and (3) being the last officially released module for 2nd Edition (which I realise isn't mentioned in the article - this is my understanding, but I can't find citation for it right now). Notability warning should be removed. DustFormsWords (talk) 06:20, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Seeing as there's been no further claim that the article doesn't meet the notability criteria (in more than six months) I've removed the notability warning. DustFormsWords (talk) 01:52, 15 July 2009 (UTC)