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Seems odd. Can someone update his stats?

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=120074

Those are his stats. =) --HPJoker 02:38, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Walk-Off Hits

Fixed the incorrect information about walk-off hits, Ortiz has hit 17 career walk-off hits 11 of which were homeruns (including post season) as of 9/13/2007. It was originally written he had hit 16 in 2006 which was never indicated in the cited article. A list of his walk-off hits with the Red Sox can be found here: http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/gallery/ortizwalkoffs/ with a 2002 walk-off homerun against the Indians while he was playing for the Twins noted here: http://sonsofsamhorn.net/lofiversion/index.php/t6477.html --Neen 14:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

2004 Suspension

Someone keeps adding and someone else keeps reverting a passage about Ortiz's 2004 suspension. This is not productive and a consensus would be good. I have no strong opinion myself; I'd just like to see the edit war stopped. PhGustaf (talk) 02:21, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I restored it on principle, since the deleter gave no reason for deleting it. However, one suspension in a career, 4 years ago yet, is not necessarily noteworthy unless it's part of a pattern. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 02:26, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I apologize for creating this controversy. I just thought since there was a section for notable events in his career in 2004 that a suspension qualified as a notable event. Mainly though, since I use wikipedia as a reference site, I thought it would be helpful to have the date of the game the actions that were suspended took place in because it would help people reference that incident when referring to other players that were suspended for similar actions, like Delmon Young or Milton Bradley. Anyway, the only reason I kept restoring the edit is because the person didnt give a reason for deleting it. Later100 11:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

No apology necessary; it's basically the deleter's fault. I've already left a message on his page, and he's ignored it and reverted yet again. Maybe one of you could leave a message too. PhGustaf (talk) 17:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, he didn't, he just took out two nicknames. I put them back. PhGustaf (talk) 18:00, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not totally convinced those items belong, but the deleter won't explain himself, plus now he's blocked for edit warring, so I'm restoring them, temporarily at least. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 23:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm moderately for both of them. The suspension did happen; leaving it out makes the page look like a fan site. The "Cookie Monster" name was routine of rec.sport.baseball, I've been told it was used in games, and it's on one of the stat sites; but I'm not sure the documentation is adequate. (Disclaimer: I'm a huge Ortiz fan. He's a better hitter than Yaz and a nicer guy than Williams.) PhGustaf (talk) 00:09, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

You're right, better sourcing is needed. I never heard the "Cookie Monster" thing, but I don't live in Boston. I still think there needs to be a better explanation of why this suspension really matters. Lots of players get suspended. As for Ortiz, I saw him hit a long blast into the right-center upper deck, in a game in the Metrodome back in May or so. I usually root for the Twins, but I get some dark satisfaction every time he knocks the ball out of the yard against the team that released him. With Ruth-for-cash, at least the Red Sox got cash. In the case of Ortiz, the Twins got nada. Idiots. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 00:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

The suspension issue was discussed at great length and with great acrimony above more than a year ago. That discussion led somehow to the inclusion of the material, and I think we should let that decision, muddled though it may be, stand. PhGustaf (talk) 18:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

It would just be nice if the deleter would actually give a reason for deleting it. Without that, it has to be taken as vandalism, which is why I'm semi-reluctantly defending keeping it. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 18:45, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Cookie Monster?

The nickname "Cookie Monster" has been called into question, and since I added it it's my responsibility to justify it. A little Googling shows that the name is very common on the net -- it's on baseball reference pages, card-collector pages, fan-club pages, and many many blogs. But it seems to be primarily an Internet phenomenon with little or no mainstream circulation. Most notably, there's no citation of it in The Boston Globe. So until someone finds a real citation, I'm taking it out. PhGustaf (talk) 18:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

david ortiz has hit 69 homeruns and thats what he is doing later on in his life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.92.53.193 (talk) 17:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Weight

I reset his weight to 230, the number the usual sources report. The usual sources, though, have a habit of reporting low weights for large players that goes back to at least Fats Fothergill, who was also reported at a dainty 230. Any more precise weight, with proper citing, would be a good thing. PhGustaf (talk) 20:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Would it be fair to edit it to say that his weight "is listed" as 230? Obviously we're not going to get anything more accurate with any citation more reliable than our own eyes, so we very well can't add another number.Alanmjohnson (talk) 18:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Category:Doping cases in baseball

add it please —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.3.229.222 (talk) 19:14, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Steroids in opening paragraph

The line about being on the list should be removed from the opening; it makes it seem as though this is what the article will mainly discuss. I'm not saying it shouldn't be mentioned; in fact, thereis a section in the article already, that address the steroid list. (however, it should be corrected...it currently says that Ortiz confirmed he tested positive, where in reality he confirmed that he had been TOLD he tested positive, but not for what. The way it reads now is like he admitted using steroids, which is not the case.) 162.136.193.1 (talk) 17:19, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball/Archive_14#Steroids_in_the_lede.3F, it is the position of WP:Baseball that a major controversy, such as steroids, should be in the lede. Therefore, it is (or should be) in the openings of the articles of Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez, Manny Ramirez, Sammy Sosa and others. --Muboshgu (talk) 22:18, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

List of walk-off or game winning hits

Is it necessary to have a section listing walk-offs and game winning hits? Some of the more important ones can be moved into the prose of his career in the appropriate places, including the plaque saying "Greatest clutch hitter in Red Sox history," but I think that some of the less important entries shouldn't be listed. --Muboshgu (talk) 21:03, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I think that it is an important section for 2 reasons. Firstly, Ortiz has 14 walkoff home runs and 12 regular season walkoff HR. By the lists that I have seen, that makes him either tied for most career regular season walkoff home runs (with Jimmy Foxx at 12) or actually the career leader in regular season walkoff HR. This basically depends on if Jimmy Foxx's 12 walkoff HR are regular season only or also including his postseason walkoffs (if any). So then, listing the walkoff HR for a career walkoff HR leader would seem appropriate. I mean, all of Nolan Ryan's no hitters are mentioned in some way- and I would be very happy to see them in a list much like this. They're notable and rare events, and at least for a career leader that would seem appropriate to list them.

Alternatively, one could just list generically "he has x many walkoff HR and y many walkoff hits." However, this leads to the issue of where does one cite this? There is no citation which enumerates all of his walkoffs, and even if there was it would not stay up to date because he is still an active player. So then, if you list just that- it's unsupportable due to lack of citations. I would say that instead it's better to list the individual games (which the citations are capable of covering). If he were not potentially a career leader, I would say it's not a big deal- but he is at least tied for regular season walkoff HR and may also be the career leader in combined postseason and regular season HR. (Though Thome could also reach a tie for regular season walkoff HR, as I think he's at 11?) With that said, once he retires I bet there will be a source which lists all his walkoffs in one place and at that point it could be cited and the list done away with. Benjamid (talk) 03:58, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Correction, I misread something. He actually has 10 walkoff HR in regular season and 12 walkoff total, by my understanding. So not tied for career leader but certainly in the running. Second point still stands. With that said, I think that the current thing definitely causes confusion by listing "game ending hr" as well as walkoffs. I think that only the walkoffs should be listed that list, otherwise it is a bit misleading. Additionally, I would say the walkoff hits are not needed- though a ref which gives his total number of walkoff hits might be nice. Second point still stands though, there's no way to cite the walkoffs as an aggregate and I would say that the total count (and the ability to back it up) is an important piece of information. Benjamid (talk) 04:07, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Didn't feel like I could trust blogs or the stated stuff (as it was a bit confusingly stated as to what was a walkoff or not). Looked things up on baseball reference. Ortiz appears to be the active leader in walkoff hits with 20 combined postseason and regular season hits. He is tied for 4rth on that alltime list (I think) behind Frank Robinson (26 Hits), Dusty Baker (21 Hits), and Tony Perez (21 Hits). He is tied for 2nd in combined regular season and postseason walkoff HR, behind Mickey Mantle (13 HR). Thome seems to be the closest active player, with 17 walkoff hits and 11 walkoff HR (all regular season, no postseason walkoffs). So then, I would consider it notable that if he hits 1 more walkoff HR he'll be tied for most career walkoffs. Page is locked so I can't edit it, but I think that would be a useful summary to have- considering he's chasing what I would call a very interesting record. Benjamid (talk) 06:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Muboshgu, this section should be deleted. Does Rickey Henderson's page describe every single base he stole? If it's in fact notable that he is a leader in this category, then surely you can find someplace that says so. 162.136.193.1 (talk) 17:12, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. If it's so notable that Ortiz has all these walk-off hits, there should be an article that talks about it, which can be cited somewhere in the article text. --Muboshgu (talk) 22:20, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

As I have already stated, there are two issues to removing this section: 1. How to cite this information and 2. If it provides significant information. For the first issue because he is an active player it will not be up to date. For example [1] is an example. However, just about any journalistic source that will give this information will likely fall out of date until the end of his career (that one is already outdated). [2] is a source that would be useful, though it only lists regular season statistics. Additionally, I am hesitant to have wikis referencing other wikis as sources- as that can lead to circular support. So most sources for this information are either incomplete and/or become outdated. I would personally be fine with just listing a short thing with the # walkoff hits, # walkoff HR (split into postseason and regular) and giving a ref to baseball-reference which is a reliable citation in my opinion (or even the underlying database "Retrostats"). It's verifiable in that case, though you need a bit of data querying knowledge to verify it....

The second issue of relevance is different. I would say the aggregate numbers are definitely relevant. Are the individual walkoffs relevant? Maybe. The comparison to Henderson's steals is irrelevant because that is apples to oranges. Steals are extremely common and therefore should not be listed. Walkoff hits are quite rare. I personally think that for rare achievements, the career leader might warrant a list of dates when they occurred. Nolan Ryan's no hitters are an excellent example for that case. Walkoff HR are somewhere in the middle ground in rarity. The career leader only has 12 or 13, depending on how you count them (as opposed to 7 for no hitters). I think a good argument could be made either way about a list being valuable in that case. If people find it useful, I don't see why not to leave it up (provided it lists ONLY the walkoff home runs, not in its current form). If it seems like it clutters up the page too much, I can see a good argument to take it off. Benjamid (talk) 23:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

As for my personal take on it, my opinion is a revision which lists the dates of only walkoff HR with a summary statement of the aggregate numbers of walkoff HR and hits he had done in a career, and a citation to baseball-reference to support this. I personally find this information interesting, and while it does exist in other sources it is not well arranged and represented (which IMO is part of what an encyclopedia does- condense and arrange information for quick understanding). My second most favored option is removing the section and citing baseball-reference to support the aggregate numbers somewhere else in the article (probably in the overview). My least favorite option would be to lose all information about walkoffs, which has clearly had some time spent in accumulating it. Benjamid (talk) 23:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I didn't hear any dissent, so I made the proposed changes. The list is much shorter now and consists only of walkoff HR (no walkoff hits and no other game-winning hits). It is prefaced by a brief comment on its significance with regard to him being the active leader. I would not find this out of place in a print or electronic encyclopedia. The citation is attributed to baseball reference, which is the only source that will stay up to date on these stats until he is retired. After this point, another reference would probably make sense that doesn't involve having to query the underlying data set.Benjamid (talk) 06:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Time to lock again?

This page keeps getting vandalized. I think it may be time to lock it again... Semajws (talk) 16:53, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Image

I changed the primary image because I thought it wasn't representative of Ortiz. The former picture showed him in an upset manner, which is not the typical Ortiz look. I hope you guys agree. Polancox (talk) 20:43, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Introduction

I have changed the wording of the introduction around a little bit, because it is not confirmed that he used steroids, and his claims on not using them and instead using vitamins are confirmed that it could have been messed up the testing. Cheers, Guy546^(Talk) 20:58, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Why Can't I edit this page

I'm a red sox fan, and i like trying to fix stuff on the pages, but i couldn't. can someone help me?

Help please

Can someone put in the article a new nickname for him, like "The Beast" 'cause he smacks the ball out of the field, especially against the Yankees. Maybe he can be called "Yankee killer." -Amit

There is Vandalisim on this page. Some one please revert this page because for some reason I can not.

WRONG FACT

it should be runner up for the 2005 mvp not 2006 the 2006 AL mvp hasn't been announced yet because obviously the SEASON HAS NOT ENDED.

ADDED CRITICISMS

-Helps add info about Ortiz's character, exists in wikis about other ballplayers. -added photographic evidence to one criticism and more citations to the next. Let's not create an edit war over this, the Ortiz steroid issue actually invoked the "wrath" of Carlos Beltran and Jose Guillen. It is a valid criticism.

Deletion of Criticisms

I am not going to keep fighting this, but it does a diservice to wiki to delete valuable (in baseball terms) information. The topic was not called "Media criticisms," rather just "criticisms."

Go onto every wiki and be so critical. I suspect it is not my "hate" for ortiz that's the problem (I don't hate him), but fanboyism that's to blame.

Clutch Hitting

• 2004 Playoffs - It is amazing that there is absolutely no reference to Ortiz's reputation as a "clutch" hitter who performs well in pressure situations. His performance in close and late situations, and especially against the Yankees in the 2004 playoffs, deserves mention. This characteristic is as central to Ortiz's reputation as anything, and yet there is no mention of it in his biography.

Involvement in ESPN's my wish series

On ESPN's my wish series a boy with a life threatening ilness named Stefan got to meet his favorite player Ortiz and the Boston Red Sox. I think they should put that into the article under charity.

Nicknames

Im sorry man, I live in Boston and no one calls Shrek or Cookie Monster or Ortizzle, they might be a personal nickname that you or your friends might have come up with, but they are not widely used by the public. You might have seen that picture on www.bostondirtdogs.com, but that was just recently made up.

I do know that "Shrek" was used before the "Who's your Papi" chant was invented. (In order to mock "Who's your daddy".) No one remembers that stupid nickname anymore. (Remember when Ortiz wore cups on his ears during the extra-inning John Flaherty walk-off win game?) Fox Afternoon games also referred and compared him to Shrek years ago. Cookie monster however is on David Ortiz's baseball-reference profile, and "Otrizzle" (or just "trizzle") was used on redsoxnation.net back in the day before Big Papi became the unaminous nickname.

I've seen many places where David Ortiz's nickname is listed as "Blunt". Anyway we can reflect this on his article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.28.215.64 (talk) 21:56, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Derby Winner

David Ortiz won the 2010 Home-Run Derby —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.190.169.27 (talk) 02:43, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Big Pappi :P

Anyone familiar with Facebook protocol? There is a Big Pappi page that is based on this entry. How do we get it changed to Big Papi? --Walter.bender (talk) 12:19, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

POV

There is some non-neutral language in this article ("Ortiz was a major force...") that should be fixed. I put the POV check tag on the article until its handled. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:24, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not clear what the point of view issue is with that statement. Is it really in doubt? It is clearly uncited, and that should be fixed, but I don't think that shoring up the citations would significantly change the content or tone of this article. I've changed the POV tag to additional references needed. —Alex (ASHill | talk | contribs) 16:21, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

He is considered by many to be "the greatest clutch-hitter in the history of baseball". REALLY?

Maybe someone can change that to "considered by a few people" - much more accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:Contributions/ hgkj157.26.162]] (talk) 21:33, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

The quotation says "in the history of the Boston Red Sox" – I fixed the overzealous change. SteveStrummer (talk) 22:52, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to see the "Trademark fight with Jay-Z" paragraph replaced with this:

In April 2010, rapper and producer Jay-Z and his business partner Juan Perez initiated a trademark infringement case against Big Papi's night club, Forty-Forty, located in his native Dominican Republic. The suit claimed that Big Papi's night club name was chosen to take advantage of the fame of the record producers chain of sports clubs named, "The 40/40 Club". The term 40/40 in baseball refers to ballplayers in the Major Leagues who have both 40 home runs and 40 stolen bases in a single season. There are presently only four players who have accomplished that feat, and Ortiz is not one of them.[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 7theguy7 (talk • contribs) 20:44, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Records and Personal life updates

As of tonight, he now holds the Boston Red Sox All time multi home run games record with 39.Waidesworld (talk) 03:19, 19 May 2013 (UTC) He is currently in divorce proceeds from his wifeWaidesworld (talk) 03:19, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 July 2013

On July 10th, 2013, David Ortiz took sole possesion of the record of hits by a Designated Hitter with 1989. 65.197.19.241 (talk) 02:33, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Done, though in the future please remember to provide a reliable source when making an edit request (though it was easy to find one myself in this case). BryanG (talk) 03:46, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

False information regarding current world series results.

The 2013 section of this article suggests that the Red Sox have won the World Series in 6 games, and attributes a quote to Ortiz. Clearly, as of today, that hasn't happened yet! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.29.131.96 (talk) 00:37, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Home Run Derby Victory

Should his 2010 Home Run Derby title be listed in his awards box? The Home Run Derby is linked with the All Star Game and considering Ortiz's All Star Game selections are listed, it would make sense to include his derby win. Mike (talk) 18:24, 14 July 2013 (UTC) I love it!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.97.227.241 (talk) 22:15, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2014

I would like to contribute an edit on the page David Ortiz. Please allow me to edit it.

Drcrablegs (talk) 02:20, 3 February 2014 (UTC) I want to add more edits to fix the page. Thank you.

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boi aroid looks like prodigy from mindless behavior — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:704D:9200:9519:9FBF:7A29:92EB (talk) 23:46, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Infobox image

Since Jkaradell disagrees with me on which image should be used in the infobox (to the point of making a personal attack against me because of it), I feel that there should be a discussion here on the article's talk page. While I acknowledge that the picture of Ortiz pointing up is of something he's known for doing frequently, the 2014 picture of him is not only more recent, but also better quality. What do some other people think about which image should be used in the infobox? --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 02:09, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

I disagree with the both of you edit warring over it. I like the pointing picture. It's his signature, and whatever the metadata says, my eyeballs with their 20-20 vision think that the pointing image looks better. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:32, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Agree with Muboshgu about edit warring. Agree also with the pointing picture. In the pointing picture, Ortiz is doing something interesting, rather than standing around, presumably in between pitches. I am absolutely baffled by the notion that F-stop is a criteria defining the quality of an image. It's simply an indicating of how much light is allowed in the aperture, and there are so many other factors that determine the quality of an image. Terry Foote (talk) 18:00, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Think of of it this way, A Guy Saved by Jesus; I sometimes plunk down major coin to get good tickets at Spring Training and MLB games so that I can get good photos to put on Wikipedia, only to have them summarily dismissed. At least that image of Ortiz you like so much didn't cost you anything. I try to be a "glass half full" kind of guy, so I hope not to sound like a monumentally condescending asshole. Take care and happy editing, Terry Foote (talk) 18:52, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

No, I understand. Wikipedia is built on consensus, and if the majority says they prefer the infobox picture to be the one of him pointing up, that's the way it is. At least the other image of him can still be used in a later section of the article, since four total images is definitely not excessive for an article of this length. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 18:58, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Four is probably not enough, actually. Then again, the body images should probably be made a little smaller and prose filled in a bit more in certain places. Then it can certainly accommodate at least one more image. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:01, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

After looking through the page's history a bit, I found another image which I felt was worth adding. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 01:55, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2016

This article states David Ortiz hit his 400th Homerun on August 16, 2014. He hit 2 hrs that day against Brad Peacock, numbers 458 and 459. He his his 400th homerun in 2012 on July 4th off of A.J. Griffin of Oakland.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/event_hr.cgi?id=ortizda01&t=b

50.201.127.90 (talk) 14:47, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Done EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 21:42, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2016

change RBIs to RBI....

75.143.42.102 (talk) 18:58, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Not done: RBIs is correct as the plural form. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:59, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Final appearance date.

So is it the last regular season appearance or the last post-season appearance? IMO, he did play in the post-season games so they would represent the FinalDate that he played.

Garchy kindly pointed out the template "definition". (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_MLB_player/doc) It does not mention regular season or post-season. It does say "Date of the final match played by the player(Month and date)". To me that means that post-season is included.

Perhaps a poll should be taken and the results used to update this, eg "Date of the final regular season match" or "Date of the final regular or post-season match". Cpfan776 (talk) 23:32, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Here's a scenario to think about. Let's assume that a player does something memorable in the post season that deserves to be mentioned in his entry. (EG PlayerABC hit four home runs in the postseason game on October 9, 2016.) But the wiki FinalDate entry is the last regular season game (eg October 2, 2016). Looks wrong IMO. He did something memorable a week after his last game. I think FinalDate show be date of last game played (regular or post season). Cpfan776 (talk) 02:35, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

I just actually looked at the Wiki page. It says "Last MLB appearance". It doesn't say regular season. Cpfan776 (talk) 14:32, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

People keep saying that last regular season appearance is the standard. Most players who retire will not have played their last game in the postseason; thus, the last appearance was in the regular season. Can somebody give me examples of a player who retired after a season in which he played in the postseason. Thank you Cpfan776 (talk) 16:48, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Just to name a few however this doesn't include every player possible. Willie Mays played in the 1973 World Series in his last season. Scott Brosius and Paul O'Neill both retired at the conclusion of the 2001 World Series. Jorge Posada last played in the 2011 American League Division Series. Roger Clemens last played in the 2007 American League Division Series. These 5 players have their "Last MLB appearance" date reflect their last regular season appearance. David Ortiz is the only retired player who keeps having his "Last MLB appearance" date as his last postseason game. His page needs to be consistent with all the other pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raginclimax (talk • contribs) 17:03, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

I agree that it should be consistent. Perhaps the template should be changed to read "Last regular season MLB appearance", then there would be no confusion. It definitely needs to be documented somewhere (eg the template), not just "that's the way that we've always done it". Cpfan776 (talk) 23:59, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Mark Kiger has debutdate & finaldate in post-season. Also Raúl A. Mondesí has debutdate in postseason. If the debutdate can be in the postseason, then I think that the finaldate can be in the postseason as well. Cpfan776 (talk) 03:01, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2017

I want to put under David Ortiz's Awards, 500 Home Run Club, and 50 Home Run Club. Sam Duquette (talk) 21:25, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

• Not done: Those are not actual awards, and Ortiz is already listed at the articles on those achievements. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 02:27, 12 May 2017 (UTC)