Talk:Davey Havok/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Son of Sam

Er, was Son of Sam really a Samhain TRIBUTE? That doesn't seem right. I mean, it was all original songs, and Davey wrote the lyrics... Anyone else think that should be changed? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Krys Nyteshade (talk • contribs) 13:00, 5 July 2005 (UTC)

--yeah, that doesn't seem right. I mean, two members of Samhain were in Son of Sam themselves. It was probably just a chance for the samhain/danzig guys to get away from Danzig (he's not the nicest fellow, I am told)--but I don't think that's something to say. So, son of sam is just a side-project then? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.108.120.231 (talk • contribs) 23:27, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

The songs are all original (lyrics, notes and all), that is not of relevance. It was as tribute not a cover. -- Jon Dowland 18:43, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

see the quote on Son Of Sam (band) -- Jon Dowland 18:54, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Birthname

Davey Havok's Wiki page lists his name as David Anthony Passaro. That's the end of it.Deathwithafireinside (talk) 03:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

He's birth name is David Passaro. He gets Marchand from his step-dad. I'm still not quite sure what his middle name is. I do believe it is Anthony, though.

davey's middle name IS anthony i knwo this for a fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AFIafflcition (talk • contribs) 21:52, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps his real name should be changed to David Passaro Marchand? If you know his middle name for sure, you should include it.

By the way, of course his real name should stay. This is an encyclopedia, after all. It should include all verifiable information whether you want it to or not. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sion6 (talk • contribs) 21:06, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Davey's middle name is Lee, just in case any one wanted know, its easily accesible as his senior year book picture is all over the internet. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.128.203.166 (talk • contribs) 19:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

davey real name is David Anthony Marchand

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0369898/bio —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.106.183.59 (talk • contribs) 01:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

- IMDB is wrong. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.32.33.42 (talk • contribs) 12:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

The artist has no input into what is included in a factual encyclopedia. Does anyone have a legitimate source for David Marchand and his birth name? BabuBhatt 22:22, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I added a reference for David Marchand's birth last name. Here is the code for a quick re-add, since it will undoubtedly continue to be deleted: as David Marchand<ref>[http://www.amiright.com/names/pseudo/d.shtml Music performer pseudonyms], AmIRight.com</ref> BabuBhatt 19:00, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

-- That reference site is based on submissions of random people, it is no way factual. Might as well have the wiki reference itself. This is not a legitimate source.

--- Why is this debate still going on? His name was listed in an interview as well as the name of his brother, Micheal Marchand, and they also discussed his father who's last name is Passaro. His name was changed to Marchand when his mother re-married. His middle name is Lee, not Anthony. None of this information is a secret and Davey never actually said he didnt want his full name out, I am trying to locate the interview now, I believe it was in an issue of Metal Hammer back in 2003/2004.

OK... now the article is just stupid, in the opening it doesn't mention the name "Davey Havok" at all... when that is who the article is about. It mentions the name Marchand twice instead?... if he was born "Passaro" then don't put "Marchand" as his birth name. - Deathrocker 20:18, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

From an Interview;

• Question: Did your parents split up when you were quite young then?

Davey: Actually my dad died when I was very young - my blood father - but I'd rather not go into that...

And later in regards to the surname & religion:

• Question: What is your Italian surname?

Davey: Passaro. But I haven't had that name for years. I'm not a catholic, I don't really adhere to any of the greater - or lesser - religions.[1]

I took out his birth name after someone added the middle name "Gepetto." While that did make me laugh, it's not true. X stella 21:01, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

If somebody ads "Gepetto" just replace it with "Lee". But do not remove the surname the man himself has said in an interview that he was born as "Passaro". - Deathrocker 14:21, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

"D.A.Marchand" is who is credited in linear notes of older CDs. I'll work on citing this material. - Enzo Dragon 07:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

If you're not going to put Passaro then take off the part that says that he was BORN Marchand.

"Davey Havok" is his "current" name, while his BORN name was Marchand. This is standard for everyone with a stage name. Look up other articles. - 70.16.203.48 05:20, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

No, it isn't. David Passaro is his BIRTHname, as the man himself stated in an interview. Stop being ignorant and read the section from an interview he gave above. He was born as Passaro, but as the interview says, his biological father died when he was very young. Thus when his mother re-married, Davey took on his step-father's name "Marchand".... doesn't mean he was born as Marchand, it means he later aquired it as his legal name. Is that really so difficult to grasp? - Deathrocker 05:08, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I was only commenting on the decision that had seemed to be made at the time of my post! We had decided, it seemed, that Marchand was the only citable birth name, and that Havok was (of course) his stage name. What I meant was that the sentence (as it was at the time of my post) was redundant, and listed his stage name twice. Not only that, but the grammar besides the redundancy was awful.

That said, I definitely think the current opening statement works nicely. - 64.222.185.171 09:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

what's this i hear about his middle name being paden? LollyLo 05:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Dave's gone on record (i.e. in interviews) to say that his middle name is in fact Paden, and that is the reason why his latest clothing line is going to be brandishing said name. Therefore, it should be changed on here from David Anthony to David Paden in order to keep up consistency. {{editprotected}} middle name is incorrect, should be changed. missayla 04:55, June 6 2007 (UTC)

Done. I've gone ahead and commented-out the middle name until a source is provided. Cheers. --MZMcBride 16:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Here's your source. [2] I'm confused as to where everyone's getting "Anthony" from. Enzo stated that earlier CDs/records have him credited as D.A. Marchand, which isn't true as far as I know. They all either say "Dave," "Davey," or "Davey Havok." But if you have something that says otherwise, we'd like to see it. yay! 71.102.119.193 (talk) 21:59, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

His birthname is David Anthony Passaro; his middle name is not Paden. That was the name of one of his clothing lines. I'm confused as to why his birth middle name is listed as Paden here...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.169.134.224 (talk) 20:21, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

WHAT? You guys are all wrong, at this rate you might as well put his middle name a "Glitterboy." It has been gone over a million times on the messageboards as well as in countless interviews. Davey's middle name is Francis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.32.33.32 (talk) 22:12, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

OMG GEPETTO? WTF LOL. Someone should just ask him. It's not really any of our business anyway, but whatever. And lol @ Francis, haha.XMakeshiftx (talk) 08:34, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

AKA name legitimate link

Davey Havok at Notable Names Database. BabuBhatt 20:49, 18 September 2006 (UTC) who care I mean realy why can't we just stick with the name he wants! gosh you peaple are imposible —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.179.175.126 (talk) 16:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Sexuality

Someone continuously says that Davey is openly homosexual. this is not true - there is no evidence of this. On the AFI website is says he is not gay. stop changing it! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Canucks fan1763 (talk • contribs) 20:17, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

you sound so homophobic and it doesn't say anything about hes sexuality on the afi website. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.7.183.132 (talk • contribs) 01:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

-Actually it does, and has repeatedly. Davey is straight. End of story. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.32.33.42 (talk • contribs) 12:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

No, he is bi sexual, you all are wrong. He is Bi sexual in 2004 he came out to the public saying he was. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.227.254.245 (talk • contribs) .

Jade (the guitarist) has posted on the band's message board several times in the past that Davey is not gay. He never came out, your friends lied.

Davey has never commented publicly about his sexuality. What he has done is make comments about being attracted to various women, including Adriana Lima, Camilla Belle, and Keira Knightley. People enjoy claiming that Davey is gay because it makes it easier for them to understand him. Gay or not, the entry stating he has "come out" as bisexual is totally fabricated, and has no place in an encyclopedia. And please, do not comment that this is homophobic. That is ridiculous- this is nothing but an attempt to make this page factual, and not the product of some threatened male's falsities. Belovedone 03:34, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

-- While I completely agree his sexuality should be left out, if we're going with the idea of him commenting on being attracted to people he has also openly admited an attraction to Johnny Depp whom he refers to as his boyfriend quite often, Jude Law, and several other men. Its easy to make a case for him either way.

Just my 2 cents, isn't everyone on Earth attracted to Johnny Depp???

Everybody who claim Mr. Havok's gay/straight/bi, I'd really like to see all y'all sources. As far as I know he has never talked about this in public. In every interview - when this question has come up, he jokes it away or makes fun of the journalist. Gothic Embrace 22:07 (GMT+1), 27th October 2006

You're everywhere, aren't you, Embrace? Anyway, I've cleared this whole thing up with cited quotes direct from Puget. Now all of you can get a nice dose of the truth. - Enzo Dragon 01:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Can we have something that basically says that his sexuality often guessed about, but Davey refuses to comment? That's pretty unbiased IMHO. The chicken lady 21:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm confused! Because in the A.F.I. song : "Love Like Winter" he sing's about kissing not only a woman, but also a man...Twice...

The song has two perspectives, one of a man and one of a woman...

Maybe he's like The Todd, attracted to everyone and everything ;-) Seriously, though, we work with the sources we have and can't just infer that he's gay because of what he sings about. Also, songs are generally fictional, so who knows what it meant. - JNighthawk 12:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

"Also, songs are generally fictional". SOME songs are but most certainly not all. Also, Davey never ever explains the meanings to his lyrics so we'll forever be left with our own personal interpretations and will probably never know what he meant. And thank God for that. Sion 12:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... Maybe so... besides it's just lyrics (really good lyrics, but lyrics none the less)

someone said they would really like the sources of the people that believe that davey is gay. well i believe that he might have a relationship with jade puget. my source are the pictures and comments written by davey and jade themselves at buzznet. there are pictures of them two int eh bed together. but who cares cuz afiis an awesome band and i love their music.

So what if you saw pictures, they are probably fakes, photoshopped! Like Davey and Jade would let pictures of that of themselves online,and even if they did, I'm sure either Davey or Jade would tell us and say some pictures slipped. I've photoshopped a picture of Jade and a Chicken in bed, does that mean if I put it online for some reason Jade REALLY slept with a chicken. Come on people, really.....

Davey said in an interview that the lyrics in love like winter were to allow everyone to relate to the lyrics, rather than anything to do with his sexuality. The pictures of Jade and Davey in bed were more than likely photoshopped. I suspect that a significant amount of fuel to the fire of debate about Davey's sexuality comes from slash fanfic places like www.afislash.com The chicken lady 19:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Um, a lot of you are making it sound like you're foruming. Take it somewhere else, please.- Floramage! 15:29, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

No He's not gay or whatever the hell you say he is, he's straight.--Skatetrash 17:12, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

I think there has been a little too much Vandalism on this page. Seem the last few Anon. Edits have done such a thing. Anyway to control that?--Bopher1 03:36, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Bibliography was vandalized again, I've seen articles locked and can only be edited by registered users, someone should request it. Kniesten 22:32, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

18:06, 28 September 2006 Prezboy1 edited the main page. go check the history. now scroll to the bottom. the words "i'm a fu**ing fa**ot" are there, and weren't there before. funnier still - they're still there! i'm going to remove it now, but thought i'd let people know. Matthiasman 00:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Biography

There NEEDS to be more about Davey as far as his biography is concerned, ie: personal life, childhood, etc.

Davey Havok lived in Carmichael, CA (Sacramento Area) from 5 to 12 years old. There he attended Catholic school, briefly played soccer (for he was not too much of a sports fan), and practiced his skateboarding. Currently his aunt still lives in Sacramento. (Havok, Davey. "Blaqk Audio interview." 106.5 KWOD. 2 August 2007

Era pics?

It seems that AFI has had different 'eras' of style--Davey being a prime example.

• 1994-1997: [3]

[4] [5]

• Black Sails and Art of Drowning eras:

[6] [7] [8]

• Sing the Sorrow era:

[9] [10] [11]

• Decemberunderground/current:

[12] [13]

I hope you get the general idea. His looks have changed along with the music--you might want to mention something about this. You don't need to use these particular pics, just mention how his looks have changed with his music.

The 94-97 pictures were actually art of drowning era. Dwnsjane2 02:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Glitterboy/Serious Clothing

I do not believe this for one moment. I have never, ever heard anything like this concerning the end of Glitterboy. If someone can substantiate it... uh, fine. Whatever. I highly doubt that this is true, as it contradicts Davey's personal morals (being that he's straight-edge and all) and something like this would've been all over the AFI community in a matter of seconds.

Basically, I want the claim substantiated. Sinthe 00:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

It obviously BS. Delete. Dwnsjane2 17:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

That total bullsh**! I'm serious. I have never ever read anything like that and believe me, I've read about 24 different stories about it and they're all pretty much the same. You my not-so-friendly friend, are a BIG FAT LIER! Who takes the Pis* out of other people because you're to bored with your own life!

Glitterboy didn't get too far because of 'differences' between Havok and the clothing producer. Now he's working on Paden.

Sadly Paden is over. Tired of dealing with other people and their lack of initiative, Davey has taken matters into his own hands and will be releasing a t-shirt line by himself in August 2008. Zu Boutique. (www.zuboutique.com) This will be a line of shirts with obscure references to pop culture, marketed under the tag line of "if you don't know, you weren't meant to." These shirts will be very limited (100 shirts per design) and will be numbered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.32.33.32 (talk) 17:05, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Vocal Style

There should be some more information describing his vocal style and range. What would you guys consider his range? Handdimensixq 16:20, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

He's mainly a countertenor who can also sing tenor, baritone and alto. I would say. SkullyD 22:20, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like original research, to me. Unfortunately (or perhaps not?) Wikipedia has policies against such things. You're free to cite reasonable sources on the matter, however! - Enzo Dragon 08:55, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Citations

I know it sucks, but we should probably start citing this stuff. I was looking through the history of this page, and it occurred to me that in no point of this article's life have we really had any substancial citations. I know that this article is factual. YOU know this article is factual. Now let's let THEM know. - Enzo Dragon 09:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Sexuality continued

Ok people! Davey Havok is single! He and Britt broke up long ago! And btw, he is straight! The following comments have been taken from "Can't sleep clowns will eat me"'s talk page:

Davey has been related to Ivy whatsername, just look this: http://buzznet-96.vo.llnwd.net/assets/users16/viryta/default/msg-117993201306.jpg

Once again, you've removed information from an article I watch. This time, the information was cited. I did see your reasoning in the history, but there isn't much other way to cite the info. I would like to say, in the source's defense, that the information is coming from official sources (the official message board, the official myspace).

In fact, the policy regarding sources only mentions personal websites [14], but I doubt that it means to say that citing the subject's own website is out of the question.

Of course, this only touches upon the band's 'official' myspace. [15] The other citation, the forum, is an FAQ in the form of a forum post. The forum is AFI's official, hosted on their official fanclub's site [16]. Therefor, I think that it is an appropriate place to cite from, regardless of what format the media is in.

Even if there is a policy that rejects forum-posts and myspaces as citable sources, I believe that these citations are special cases, and that their inclusion into the Davey Havok article is important to the end of improving and maintaining wikipedia, as per WP:IGNORE. - Enzo Dragon 23:26, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

That is fair enough regarding the FAQ, but it still does not support the leading paragraph. Have there been multiple reports in the news that suggest there has really been such a huge debate over this? Feel free to copy our comments over to Talk:Davey Havok, since this is more of a content-based discussion. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 00:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I could definitely find interviews from big names that would give the impression, if that would be appropriate. I think the quote itself, and the fact that the question "are any of the members gay or bi?" is listed in their list of Frequently Asked Questions, is also proof enough that it's certainly been asked enough times to merit mention.

As for placing these comments on the talk page, I'm going to do it right now. - Enzo Dragon 10:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I suggest we discuss solutions to this citation problem. - Enzo Dragon 10:13, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

My main concern (at this point) is that we are giving undue weight to the AFI message board FAQ, and are also making claims which go beyond what the FAQ actually states. Rather than rely on what is implied from this single source, it would be best if we could cite additional references which support that there really is a controversy surrounding this issue, such that it warrants a dedicated section within the Wikipedia article. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 11:31, 7 January 2007 (UTC) Daveky Havok is gay and is datin jeffery star

Perhaps it would be more appropriate to adjust the text and assimilate it into the main portion of the article? - Enzo Dragon 14:45, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't look like http://board.despairfaction.com/showthread.php?t=6973#3 has been sanctioned as a reliable source here. So why did a paragraph using it as a source for his sexuality get added (or re-added) to the article? —Wknight94 (talk) 12:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Then you have not fully read the passages above and understood them. http://board.despairfaction.com/showthread.php?t=6973#3 Was deemed reliable because it is an official source, regardless of it's format. "despairfaction.com" is an official site, run by AFI's member's and those that they appoint. The thread sourced is sanctioned by AFI (including Mr Havok). It is an OFFICIAL FAQ. - Enzo Dragon 00:51, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I find it rude to place this qhote at the end of his biography "He is homosexual." so if some one feels like removing it, plaese do. It has been stated by Mr. Havok and his band over and over again that Mr. Havok is indeed heterosexual.

He was engaged to Monica Parker, who is now married to Matt Skiba of Alkaline Trio. Mike Park of Asian Man Records made a blog post about in it August 2005 on his personal blog when he was talking about the events leading up to when he married Matt and Monica. Not to mention the fact that it's pretty well-known that he was with the model, Ivy Levan last Fall based on those pictures of them that were leaked from his stolen Sidekick. Sion 18:59, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Tattoos

Davey has a presumably new tattoo which says "Ciao" across the knuckles of his right hand, "Baby" across the knuckles of his left. I'll include a picture later if necessary. ~ Cueldo

middle name

davey's middle name is not anthony or lee. it's paden and he recently said so in an article about his new clothing line. --Deadcandance 23:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)deadcandance

What article? Remember that we're meant to cite specific sources! Mnesimache 00:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I dunno if it's citeable, but you can easily see that his middle name is Paden if you look at the BMI information for any AFI song. Actually, I know it's not citeable, considering I just found out you can't link to a specific page, only the search page. Well. Still. Consider this proof that Anthony is wrong. --Blue Dream (talk) 19:16, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh and by the way... the NNDB no longer lists his middle name at all, so that won't work as a source for it being Anthony anymore. Whoops! --Blue Dream (talk) 19:18, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Trivia Section?

It strikes me that the trivia section for this article is a bit messy and unwieldy, especially with half of it being about his tattoos and half not. I was going to suggest that perhaps there ought to be a section about his tattoos and piercings? In that way, the trivia section could be made neater and easier to read. Mnesimache 00:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

And now it's gone. that ain't much better... LollyLo 05:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Singing/vocal range (cont.)

Considering that I know little about voices, vocal range, etc. I'm not getting anywhere on the vocal research. So, would anybody else on here like to figure out his vocal style, type, etc.? It's changed alot, and with him being a singer, there should be something noted about his vocal style.

Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.253.122.123 (talk) 12:43, 31 March 2007 (UTC).

I would say that his vocal style is reminiscent of Glenn Danzig's. He also incorporates throat screaming, though I'm not sure who really started doing this. As far as his range I would label him a Countertenor which is a male Alto.SkullyD 22:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Link

Please add the following External Link

• Interview with Davey on mindyourmind.ca —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.243.52 (talk) 16:05, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Paden/Tokyo Hardcore

Both these sections need to be updated. Paden was released a few months back and the catalog is up at http://www.padenclothing.com/. The Tokyo Hardcore catalog has been released and is available through Tarina Tarantino's website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heatherzilla (talk • contribs) 23:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Veganism?

Anybody knows if Davey has any specific reason to be a vegan? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.6.194.101 (talk) 23:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

He's been quoted as saying many times "I became a vegetarian out of compassion for animals and to live as healthy as possible. I realized soon after that I was truly concerned with nonviolent consumption and my own health, a vegan diet was the best decision." <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0369898/bio> Not sure how to reference, nut there's the link. He's also said it in the "Ask AFI" section of the boards a few times, i think. 216.47.197.235 (talk) 05:10, 18 February 2008 (UTC)Paige

Zu Boutique

Under fashion/clothing lines there needs to be mention of Davey's latest clothing line, Zu boutique. Zu Boutique Heatherzilla (talk) 04:19, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

New EP release date

there is an error where it says that the new AFI EP should be released in early 2008. this should say 2009. can someone please fix it. Fiona 86.131.177.56 (talk) 22:18, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

They've put off the EP until after Crash Love is released. So it might not even be out in 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by XMakeshiftx (talk • contribs) 08:49, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Church Of Satan

See for youself: [17] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fordzii (talk • contribs) 06:20, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, he's wearing a t-shirt. What of it? -- Skarl 09:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

MY GOD, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE! I WILL NEVER THINK OF HIM THE SAME WAY AGAIN! WHAT A REVELATION!!! Seriously, what are we supposed to be looking at here?XMakeshiftx (talk) 08:51, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

It's a DeadGuy shirt..See For Yourself —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.243.220.188 (talk) 04:14, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Any chance of a new picture?

Along with the new album comes a new image for Davey, is there any chance of being able to find a new photo to use? If images must be a part of Wikipedia's biographies they should at least be kept up to date, Davey's lost the lip ring, the majority of his suit and is donning a gilded suit nowadays, much different from the current visual we have of him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.110.226.83 (talk) 09:08, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Go find one then. :P BrightBlackHeaven (talk) 11:00, 21 December 2009 (UTC)