Talk:Dame Alice Owen's School

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Read the man below. Welcome! Oh and where do you appear in a list. Under D, A or O? Send me a note when you decide Victuallers 18:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

No sources

Okay, the vandalism I understand. Students driving by and vandalising happens. However, someone has clearly put a lot of work into writing some of this, so they might appreciate a heads up. If someone doesn't start making this article attributable/verifiable by adding some reliable sources that assert notability, I'm going to slash and burn! Sorry for the jargon, but basically, we need some published source other than the school itself to say some things about the school, then we can say what they say! (but in our own words) Good luck! Skittle 17:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

... nine months later, and there is nary a source. I just added a banner at the top, and numerous citation tags in the article at the most critical places where a citation is likely needed, as a guide to would be editors. I can't believe that a school approaching its 400th anniversary, and with academic credentials claimed as it is would not have a multitude of sources. I have no doubt that this can be a great article about what appears to be a great school! I hope someone will add some rather soon, because otherwise as Skittle suggested, the chainsaw may need to be taken to this article. LonelyBeacon (talk) 16:34, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

When will wikipedia editors realise that "notoriety" is more than what they can find in google?! Many sources exist, but guess what - statues, books, ancient carvings and stained glass windows can not be searched with google. Feel free to go and read the inscriptions on the actual physical items themselves because google sure as hell wont ever get to index them. I have added a source from the BBC (which took 5 seconds to find in google incidentally...) to satisfy your questionable insistence that everything must have some mention on the internet to be considered credible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.166.160 (talk) 20:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, so if these real life sources exist then cite them. There is actually no call for online references, as taken from the advice on sources "It is useful but by no means necessary for the archived copy (of published material) to be accessible via the internet." Ever written a dissertation, or any essay for that matter? As you appear to be a teacher, I would hope so, so you should know how to cite any source and not just paste a hyperlink. Also, it is not our job to chase your sources, so if it took 5 seconds in Google, why didn't you put it in in the first place? And all of these outstanding pupils of yours? There should be hundreds of newspaper articles on them if they are achieving so highly. If you truly believe your school to be notable, then put the effort in to make a notable page. --Feneer (talk) 16:46, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Just to be clear: according to wikipedia's policy on verifiability, it is on the back of the editor adding information to include a reliable source and properly cite this. However, it is generally a good idea to search for sources, or at least tag something before outright deletion. Since I did not have the time, nor am I very knowledgeable about the school, I opted to tag. If the tags aren't acted on in a reasonable amount of time (6-12 months???), then any editor is well within their rights to delete (heck, according to the verifiability policy, you're within your rights to delete anything lacking a source .... though I have found that usually gets people mad at you).

To back up what this anon editor is saying, yes, sources need not be electronic, but they do need to be cited in the article. Claiming feel free to go and read the inscriptions on actual physical items is not a valid reference. No one to my knowledge here ever claimed that references needed to be electronic (I have used books, journals, etc that are not on-line many times as references), but they must be included to verify the material and prevent its ultimate deletion. LonelyBeacon (talk) 17:04, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

The continued writing of balls

needs to be fixed, i dont know what was written before. so someone who does- can you fix it please.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.35.93.92 (talk • contribs) 21:46, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Section

HEY! Stop removing my Trivia section! I put it there first, and as I student I feel entitled to do so. It has since been added to by other pupils of the school. All of the information contained is true, but as the section name suggests, may seem a little trivial to you non-owenians. Leave it there, it's not false, and it's not affecting you. Go and edit a page on Paint Drying Championships, as you seem to be such an expert on so many other topics.
(By the way, the italics means I was being sarcastic.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by JTR2000 (talk • contribs) 17:14, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

School Song

Stop putting the school song in, it's pointless, will always get deleted, and no other school's wiki page has theirs on it. Not funny anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.11.164 (talk) 21:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Spandau Ballet

The Spandau Ballet page says they met at Dame Alice Owen's, Islington, is there still a school by the name Dame Alice Owen's in Islington or has it all moved to Potters Bar? Also, when did this transfer occur, did they actually meet in Islington or is that bad information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Feneer (talk • contribs) 16:32, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes indeed Spandau Ballet did meet at Dame Alice Owen's Islington. Back in the day, there were two schools, in Islington, Dame Alice Owen's Boys' Grammar School, and Dame Alice Owen's Girls' Grammar School, both on the same site seperated by a traingular courtyard which was the boy's playground. History was that the girls building was bombed out during the war, and the school was rebuilt hence the girls building was glass and brick and still stands at the top of Goswell road Islington, it is now used by City University and City and Islington College. The boys rather nice red brick building has unfortunatly been demolished and is now a modern block of appartments with a gym underneath. The statue of Dame Alice Owen that stands in the foyer of the new school in Potters Bar, came originally from the Girls' school in Islington and quite a few of the original staff transferred from the original schools too, Mrs Kisch, Mr Hamilton-Hinds and Dear Miss Hudson to name but a few.

Hope this answers your question.

Barbara Lord aged 52, (form 1p Dame Alice Owen's Girls' Grammar School,year of 1968) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.173.42.101 (talk) 08:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Headmasters of boys' school

I believe that the listing of Frank Gavurin 1949 -1954 as the headteacher of the boys' school is incorrect. The headmaster during that period was Walter Garstang Please can the list be corrected Lawrence Blackmore Old Owenian 1948-5392.8.106.0 (talk) 15:15, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Quatercentenary Celebrations - Update Needed

The section on the 400th anniversary celebrations appears to have been written on the eve of the events, as we are now in the second year since then. If any Old Owenians or local people are among my fellow users (I live in Shropshire, not in this area and am not myself Old Owenian), they could revise this and not only change tense but delete any activities 'on the agenda' that did not come to pass and people who were unable to appear. I have made some tense changes and article links.Cloptonson (talk) 06:44, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

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Work on the Article

I plan on doing some major work on this article, aiming to get it up to B-class (or even higher) if possible. If anyone fancies helping me, here are some of the main tasks that need doing:

1. Citing all of the information where there is a {{citation needed}} tag.
2. Counting the number of staff in the official list http://damealiceowens.herts.sch.uk/publication/staff-list-by-department-2016_17/ to add to the infobox.
3. Updating the information about exam results (the entire section needs to be rewritten entirely).
4. Adding more information about history, for example by finishing the list of headmasters.
5. Adding one or more photographs of the school itself.

That's all I can think of for now, but I will keep adding things as I go along. N Oneemuss (talk) 17:13, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

List of sports offered at the school

I just drastically shortened an unnecessarily long (and unsourced) list of sports the school offers, but I think that it might be useful to have for a possible future section on sports. Here it is:

"Discus, Shot put, Javelin, Long jump, High jump, Triple jump, Sprinting, Middle distance, Cross-country, Tennis, Football, Table tennis, Softball, Badminton, Cricket, Baseball, Volleyball, Hockey, Gymnastics, Trampolining, Rugby, Rounders, Netball, Basketball and Dance" N Oneemuss (talk) 20:23, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Split proposed

The current Alumni section is extremely long, and could be expanded further. I think it should be split out into an individual article, which I would title List of Old Owenians, with only the most important alumni discussed in the main article. This would follow the method used in the similar featured article The Judd School and the associated list List of Old Juddians (that list is a section in another article, but some schools do have separate articles for alumni, e.g. Tonbridge School has List of Old Tonbridgians). Note that I am open to using a different name, probably List of alumni of Dame Alice Owen's School (which has the advantage of being able to easily include notable former teachers). Thoughts? N Oneemuss (talk) 18:11, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

• As there seem to be no objections, I'm going to carry out this split now (to List of alumni of Dame Alice Owen's School, because it's more understandable for the average reader and can include staff). N Oneemuss (talk) 08:28, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Are the logo variations really nescessary?

I mean really, a version of the logo with bees? This seems completely unnecessary JacobTheRox (talk) 14:40, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

yes Bonkashi (talk) 19:55, 13 February 2023 (UTC)