Talk:Crito/GA1

Latest comment: 4 years ago by Lee Vilenski in topic GA Review

GA Review

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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 19:46, 22 February 2020 (UTC)Reply


Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs)

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

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  • It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria -
  • It contains copyright infringements -
  • It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}). -
  • It is not stable due to edit warring on the page. -
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Prose

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Lede

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General

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GA Review

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GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar):   b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):  
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section):   b (citations to reliable sources):   c (OR):   d (copyvio and plagiarism):  
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects):   b (focused):  
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:  
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:  
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales):   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):  
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:  

Comments

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  • Automated note - If you fancy returning the favour, I have outstanding GA nominations that require reviewing at WP:GAN. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these, however it's definately not manditory. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs)
Could you elaborate what you mean by the problems with the tenses? I've fixed what I think you meant in the summary section, but I would appreciate further critique. Thank you for all the work you've done. puggo (talk) 23:39, 27 February 2020 (UTC)Reply
just the above for now. Everything seems to be written in present tense. Wikipedia articles are written in the tense of today's point of view. These things happened a very long time ago. We should be using "was", "had", etc. It's quite common for this article to comment on things as if they are still occuring. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 11:38, 28 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Lee Vilenski:, Finished with the edits. Please review the improved text at your earliest convenience. puggo (talk) 00:35, 29 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

I'm sorry Bug2266, I don't think this article can be promoted without significant work. I see you've changed a lot of the tenses in the article, but you missed a lot. Here's what I suggest you work on before renominating:
  • Take the refs out of the lede - I have no idea why you added them in.
  • Fix the paragraphs/proseline. So many (including the lede) have one or two sentences for a paragraph. You wouldn't see that in published works, so we shouldn't see it here.
  • There is still some completely uncited paragraphs. Unless it's sourced somewhere else, every statement should be sourced.
  • I'm certain there can be some images that can be added here. It's such a wide subject, there has to be some things that could be added.
  • There's still some tense issues. See Since his trial in Apology, Socrates has been for example.
  • There needs to be more background. The section starts "the conversation" - what conversation?

I'm going to fail this one for now. I'd suggest requesting a copy-edit at WP:GOCE as well. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 15:34, 1 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

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