Talk:County governor (Lithuania)

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I hate to do this, but I dispute the title. It is translated to English as Governor of Kaunas County, for example. It is the same stuff as with apskritis or county, municipality or savivaldybe. So I suggest renaming it to something like "Governor of counties of Lithuania" Renata 16:24, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't think there is anything bad in having an article that is named in local language about some particular political position, institution (e.g. we have article seimas, Poles has sejm and so on) or a type of administrative unit (e.g. powiat, gubernya) that exists in that country. Of course, we won't have an article titled Prezidentas or Meras as the translation in these cases is very evident, but in the case of Apskrities viršininkas it is not so. Governor is translated as gubernatorius, and that is associated with a much different epoch of Lithuanian history (czarist occupation). In Lithuanian language there exists completely no link between those "gubernators" and the apskrities viršininkai, therefore, that shouldn't be translated by the same word. DeirYassin 17:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree that translation is messed up, but it is an official translation and WP should follow it. We are here not to make new policies just because we don't like it. It is accepted and we should accept it too. We have been through the whole mess of naming apskritys. I don't want to repeat any of it. Renata 18:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but are we going to rename the articles seimas to Parliament of Lithuania, sejm to Parliament of Poland, gubernya to Province of Imperial Russia and so on? As for the apskritys, the article called apskritis still exists, as does article called seniūnija, even though they are generally called by English names in the articles (similarly to e.g. raion artcle, whle this unit is generally called district in other articles). And, as well, I don't think there is any really *official* decition regarding this. So, I don't think there is any need to rename this article, but if you wish so you can link to it like [[Apskrities viršininkas|Head of Apskritis]] or something like that from elsewhere. DeirYassin 18:40, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I am not gonna argue over this. I am tired of arguing. But I reserve my right not to like it ;) Just the whole naming of stuff is so messed up.... Renata 04:22, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, in Latvian this would be "apriņķu" (next unit up from pagasts) or "pagastu virsnieks". I'm not sure what the purpose would be for having such an article in English. If we think it's necessary to have an article on navigating the elected and appointed governmental hierarchy (not a bad idea!), then that should be consolidated in a single article where it makes sense within appropriate context. The debate here of Lithuanian versus English is the symptom, not the problem--the existence of the article itself really makes no sense, hence the difficulty in figuring out what to even call it. --Pēters 06:22, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

So what do you suggest here? I am not sure I am following you. Renata 16:01, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Correct me if I don't get it, Pēter, but I think what Pēters is suggesting is that there's no need for a separate article at all. There already is a very promising article called Subdivisions of Lithuania, and this article mostly duplicates what's already in that one. (There is a burning need for a detailed article on Latvia's frequently shifting subdivisions, though; current articles referring to the subdivisions are often inconsistent, anachronistic, or just plain wrong...) --Pēteris Cedriņš 09:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

(Been a while) I saw the Norwegian "issue" pop up. Perhaps "County governor (Lithuania)" and "County governor (Norway)" might be more appropriate. Chances are none to slimmer that someone searching with the English words "county" and "governor" is expecting to find either Lithuania or Norway. —PētersV (talk) 15:39, 21 February 2008 (UTC)