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Dispute regarding the number of times that FC Barcelona has won the Copa Eva Duarte trophy

Latest comment: 9 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

The user "Imperial HRH2" is removing the last (the one won during the 1952-1953 season) of the 3 Copa Eva Duarte trophies that FC Barcelona has won in total on the FC Barcelona page, this page and the Football records in Spain Wikipedia page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Barcelona

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_records_in_Spain

He is using the official webpage of FC Barcelona (the English version) as a source here but that webpage has no authority when it comes to official trophies won. It's the Spanish Football Federation (RFEF) that decides who won which trophy and when as they are the founders of those tournaments in place. In this case the Copa Eva Duarte trophy. In other words they are the highest authority.

The Spanish and Catalan Wikipedia versions of the Copa Eva Duarte trophy agree with that opinion and so do the Spanish and Catalan versions of the FC Barcelona page here on Wikipedia.

Most importantly RFEF itself recognizes it on their official webpage which must be regarded as a bigger authority on this matter than FC Barcelona's English webpage. To me it seems that they have just forgot to include the last Copa Eva Duarte triumph. If somebody contacts them to make them aware of this omission they would probably correct it the day after. Yet he bases it solely on what the FC Barcelona webpage says on their "trophy honors" list.

Here is the link to the official RFEF website.

http://www.rfef.es/noticias/supercopa/conoce-antecedentes-supercopa

In fact every source that I could find says that the Copa Eva Duarte was abolished in 1953 and that FC Barcelona won it in 1953 as they won the double that season (La Liga and Copa del Rey) just like they did the previous season where they were also awarded the Copa Eva Duarte trophy.

Please take a look at those 3 pages that I have linked to and give your opinion of this current dispute if you have the time.

Regards,

--Suitcivil133 (talk) 17:12, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Someone please solve this. Barcelona's official page disagrees^[1]. And on your link from RFEF, it simply says that the last one was held in 53, thats all. Imperial HRH2 (talk) 22:23, 20 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

Another issue, should this even be considered an official trophy? I cannot find "official" in any sources and FIFA^[2] doesn't recognise it as a major honour, neither does another source ^[3]. Should this just be removed from both the FC Barcelona and Real Madrid trophy count to prevent pro Barca vandals and other from switching the count from 2 to 3 and vice versa?Imperial HRH2 (talk) 07:58, 21 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

I add one more ref to support that very recent one.. http://www.marca.com/en/2014/12/21/en/football/real_madrid/1419183209.html?a=GI3bbdffe5f5a14f0d7e46d97f47d1ec5c0&t=1419189663 2A01:240:FE3D:4:9CBC:FE96:5CD8:C6DE (talk) 19:23, 21 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imperial HRH2 (talk • contribs) Reply

References

COPA DUARTE

Historial de campeones

Edición	Año	Torneo	Campeón	Subcampeón	Resultado
precedente FCF	1945 (temp. 1945/1946)	Copa de Oro "Argentina" de 1945	FC Barcelona	Athletic Club	5-4
	1946 (temp. 1946/1947)	No disputado ni organizado	-	-	-
1ª	1947 (temp. 1947/1948)	es:Copa Eva Duarte de 1947	Real Madrid	Valencia CF	3-1
2ª	1948 (temp. 1948/1949)	es:Copa Eva Duarte de 1948	FC Barcelona	Sevilla FC	1-0
3ª	1949 (temp. 1949/1950)	es:Copa Eva Duarte de 1949	Valencia CF	FC Barcelona	7-4
4ª	1950 (temp. 1950/1951)	es:Copa Eva Duarte de 1950	Athletic Club	Atlético de Madrid	5-5 y 2-0
5ª	1951 (temp. 1951/1952)	es:Copa Eva Duarte de 1951	Atlético de Madrid	FC Barcelona	2-0
6ª	1952 (temp. 1952/1953)	es:Copa Eva Duarte de 1952	FC Barcelona	(campeón de Liga y Copa)	^{[nota 1]}
7ª	1953 (temp. 1953/1954)	es:Copa Eva Duarte de 1953 (NO)	-	-	-

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Eva_Duarte

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[1] ttp://www.fcbarcelona.com/football/detail/card/honours-football

[2] ttp://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/clubs/club=1903416/

[3] ttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2723707/REAL-MADRID-78-78-BARCELONA-Los-Blancos-finally-level-trophy-count-Catalans-UEFA-Super-Cup-win.html

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