Talk:Commandos (United Kingdom)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Comments

If you read this C, I direct your attention to my comments of Operation Champion.

Paul, in Saudi

Paul

Thank you, your comments on Champion which weren’t seen as this site appears to have had some problems?

Anyway, I would say there is no question of ‘wrong’ or ‘right’, Operation Champion remains a question for us we can’t answer. At some stage when a member is next at the PRO we’ll try and examine a file on it.

We mentioned previously the SOG conducting amphibious operations all along the Arakan. We believe they alone conducted some 170 operations there, but please don’t ask us to name them, assuming they all had recorded operational names?

In respect of Operation Clawhammer for example, we cannot be specific at the moment. We believe it could have been similar to Biting as there were Knickebein and X-Gerat devises there? There again, any such raid may have been the province of the paratroops, SOE, SIS or perhaps the Navy, in which case there is unlikely to be an reference to the Commandos. Until we can find out, this too remains open.

Regards CVA

Dear C- OK, Operation Champion is gone. Now let's look into CLAWHAMMER!

Paul, in Saudi

In the list of operations section at the end, suggest removing the raids conducted by the SAS, and the non SAS raids in the duplicate section on the SAS page. Or do people feel there is any merit in this duplication? CVA]

Good concise article but seems to be missing pictures: For starters has anyone got a pic of the badge? Wiki-Ed 14:42, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Pictures and References

This would make a good featured article if we could find three references and a couple more pictures.

I've got access to most pictures, badges etc. that can be found. Can provide pictures of the Fairbairn/Sykes fighting knife, the badge, the beret, a lot of pictures from operations etc. I'll also try to rip a video from the operation in Walcheren (which I'm surprised isn't mentioned with a single word in the article). Regards from mastertigurius

Will help out a lot on this one

I've noticed quite a lot of information missing from the Commando wiki. My father is a renown expert on the Norwegian commandos (and personally knows several of them), in addition to having vast knowledge about operations, techniques, equipment and structure. Will notify him of this article, so that it can become as complete as possible.

Training

The article refers to the fact that all training was conducted with live ammunition. However it makes no reference to the horrific casualties suffered during said training. Can anyone expand this bit? Dr Spam (MD) 08:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Accounts from Lochailort and Achnacarry suggest there were casualties but not large numbers though no records appear to have been kept. --jmb (talk) 14:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Operation Collar wrong link or needs disambiguation?

The article refers to an Operation Collar and links to the same here on wikipedia, but the article there doesn't sound like a commando raid in France, but more like a ship convoy in the Meditteranean? I don't know anything about either (just cruising around reading), but this seems like there were either two "Operation Collars" or it's misnamed somewhere? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.193.194 (talk) 05:11, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

A Question on 142 Commando in Burma

I notice that one of the statements on this page has been edited a little, but may have lost some of its meaning in the process.

On the CBI Theater, they went along with the British Chindits and U.S. Merrill's Marauders.

became

In the India / Burma theatre 142 Commando Company also operated in conjunction with the U.S. unit Merrill's Marauders.

I am currently researching 142 commando and have not found any reference to the working with Merrill's Marauders. 142 Commando tend to only get mentioned in regard to the 1st Expedition (1943) and I have yet seen no reference to them being in the second expedition (1944) except for the reference on this page. This page implies that they were in the second expedition as Merrill's Maruaders were only involved in the that expedition.

The reference here in its modified form is also different from what existed before as now it implies that 142 Commando were only operating with Merrill's Marauders and not the Chindits.

I'd like to get all this cleared up, but to do that I think we need to know the original references which lead to these statements. 213.143.11.200 (talk) 14:10, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Lochailort

More credit should be given to Lochailort. Most of the techniques and training methods of the Commandos were developed at Lochailort from 1940 onwards. The first fifty F-S Fighting Knives were produced to their design in January 1941 after Fairbairn and Sykes had travelled down to visit Wilkinson Sword Ltd from Lochailort the previous year. --jmb (talk) 16:29, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

List of units

This article could use a list of the Commando units.GraemeLeggett (talk) 10:48, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Battle honours

I've put a little bit more in about the battle honours, however, the source I have does not include the list. It states the number of 38 battle honours, but from what I can see, this lists includes a few more than 38. As such, I've put a citation needed tag next to the list. Is anyone able to help determine why the list has more than the 38 honours cited in Parker 2006, p. 182. Were there more honours awarded after September 1957, does anyone know? Cheers. — AustralianRupert (talk) 04:36, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Article division

Having just reworked the first half of the article up to the OPERATIONS section it seem a logical place to divide the article into two British Commandos (the first half) and Second World War Commando operations or another suitable title for funny enough Commando operations. The article as it stands is getting very large byte size and the operations half is only about a third complete. Does anyone else have any thoughts ? --Jim Sweeney (talk) 15:59, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:British Commandos/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:46, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Comments

1. British Commandos links to 2 different disambiguation pages (fix links):  Done--Diannaa ^(Talk) 22:56, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
   • Baltic
   • Tam O'Shanter
2. Combined ops and LG links are dead. LG should not be. :Fixed the Combined ops. The CVA had been redirected changed that so it now gos to the main site. What do you mean by LG ? --Jim Sweeney (talk) 06:38, 21 July 2010 (UTC) LG = London Gazette Hawkeye7 (talk) 13:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
3. The introduction claims that British Commandos served in the Pacific theatre of war. Where? It was for Hong Kong but have now changed it to South-East Asia  Done--Jim Sweeney (talk) 06:38, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
4. Under "Commando brigades", 3 Commando is listed as part of the 2nd Commando Brigade. I think you mean 2 Commando. :Yes must have read that 50 times or more  Done--Jim Sweeney (talk) 06:38, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
5. You correctly identify that the brigades contained 17 commandos, then list 16. Should mention No. 10 and how its troops were distributed among the brigades. Done --Jim Sweeney (talk) 07:15, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
6. Could the sentence on No. 10 Commando be expanded to mention its troops?  Done --Jim Sweeney (talk) 07:15, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
7. Suggest a section be created called "Organisation" consisting of "formation", "Commando units" and "Commando brigades", allowing "Training" and "weapons and equipment" to become separate sections. Done--Jim Sweeney (talk) 06:38, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
8. Do any refences mention decorations earned by the commandos? Did any of them receive the Victoria Cross other than at St Nazaire and Dieppe?  Done others added --Jim Sweeney (talk) 10:31, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
9. The operations section is problematic. It doesn't adequately summarise British Commando operations during the Second World War. I'd be quite happy for that article to be completely absorbed into this one. But if that is not on, then then this one is going to have to summarise all the British Commando operations of WWII, not just the most significant ones.  Done expanded to include Channel islands, Mediterranean and Burma --Jim Sweeney (talk) 10:31, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
10. That article puts the battle honours in the infobox, which this one has a section. I think the box looks better. Done--Diannaa ^(Talk) 23:09, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
11. Is it possible to obtain a pic of a green beret? This is causing a problem there are hundreds of back and white ones 9which defeats the object) others belong to other armies and or would not be PD --Jim Sweeney (talk) 10:31, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
12. In the legacy section, could you mention the commando memorial? (lift the intro paragraph from its article)  Done --Jim Sweeney (talk) 07:15, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
13. Hilary Saint George Saunders and Kenneth Macksey need authorlinks Done--Diannaa ^(Talk) 22:56, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
14. Any chance of getting the publication locations of the books? Done--Diannaa ^(Talk) 22:56, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:27, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned references in British Commandos

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of British Commandos's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Saunders52":

• From British Commando operations during the Second World War: Saunders, p.52
• From Layforce: Saunders 1959, p. 52.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 10:48, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

This was my fault now sorted.--Jim Sweeney (talk) 10:54, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Links to theatres instead of places

An improvement might be to get more specific with the links. for example, instead of Mediterranean, you could link to Mediterranean, Middle East and African theatres of World War II, and instead of Far East you could link to South-East Asian theatre of World War II. These links are more relevant and more specific. If we do one we have to do them all though. Let me know what you think and I can make this change for you if you like. --Diannaa ^(Talk) 16:03, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Sounds sensible doesn't it --Jim Sweeney (talk) 20:08, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

After D-Day

Do we have any info on what the Commandos got up to throughout the rest of the Normandy campaign or if they were withdrawn after the initial landings?--EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 09:18, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Both supported 6th Airborne of the left flank. then 1st Brigade were withdrawn after 10 weeks and the 4th followed up the advance, taking part in the Battle of the Scheldt in October 1944. --Jim Sweeney (talk) 11:15, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Cheers Jim!--EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 12:40, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Green Berets

There is an ongoing discussion at the disambiguation page for Green Berets which is relevant to this page. The gist of the discussion is whether the name Green Berets refers exclusively to the US Army Special Forces, or if it is also widely identified with other special forces groups, such as this one. If you have something to add, please come and join in. GyroMagician (talk) 09:52, 5 November 2010 (UTC)