Talk:Clothing

kiyoshi's type of clothes

i just love those kind of clothes,it like my kind of type of clothes.well nothing to say so sorry. buh-bye.

International Cleaning Codes

Why does this article not include a definition for each of the icons listed in cleaning instructions? I have a foreign item, do not understand the text, and am trying to figure out what each icon means. I thought maybe wiki would help, but you haven't even included a link to relevant info... :(

clothes and status

Currently: "In other societies (including most modern societies), no laws prohibit lower-status people wearing high status garments, but the high cost of status garments effectively limits purchase and display. In current Western society, only the rich can afford haute couture. " Leaving aside haute couture, which is worn by very, very few people (and quickly knocked off, so it's hard for most people to tell the difference), this statement is rather a distortion of the contemporary American situation, wherein a decent business suit and accessories costs far less than the designer warmups and high-end sneakers (not to mention bling) affected by many socioeconomically "deprived" persons.

Expanding the scope of the introduction

I've been working on the introduction. I think it is more clearly written now, but it only focuses on the function and definition of clothing and doesn't summarize any of the latter issues of the article. Also, the details about accessories, etc. may be a bit out of place in the introduction, which typically gives an overview rather than worry about minutae. So, two issues: a)Expand the scope of the introduction; and b)Consider creating a new section which addresses the definition (what is vs. what is not clothing)...Or does the way it is seem to work well enough as it is?

References for prehistoric clothing

Just a stash:

Cloth Cultures in Prehistoric Europe: the Bronze Age evidence from Hallstatt

The Prehistoric Development of Clothing: Archaeological Implications of a Thermal Model

http://www.ancientcraft.co.uk/reenactment/prehistoric_clothes.html

Lousy

Lice Reveal Clues to Human Evolution [[1]] "Reed and colleagues have also looked at the split between head and clothing lice for clues as to when humans began wearing clothes. They found that clothing lice diverged from head lice between 80,000 and 170,000 years ago, most likely at the earlier end of that range." Kortoso (talk)

Conjecture for Why (not when) Hominids began Wearing Clothing

In the partially forested regions of East Africa, as bipedalism became dominant, it seems males started to need sun protection in vital areas for the first time. Loin cloths were invented out of neccissity. Once the value of this protection became became institutionalized, it was a small step to extend the use of clothing for more general weather protection and warmth.

Hominids likely would not have ventured away from their East African homeland into colder areas without clothing, however the males could not have sustained bipedalism even in their homeland without loin cloths. It seems loin cloths had to be invented concurrently with the transition to sustained bipedalism, while still in Africa.

64.66.219.205 (talk) 05:44, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Why and how are loin cloths and bipedalism correlated? 122.151.210.84 (talk) 10:34, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Large expansion of lead

I made a large expansion of lead this morning.

As I found the article, the unspoken lead sentence amounted to: Clothing is a world unto itself.

As I leave it now, the unspoken lead sentence reads: Clothing is a survival system geared toward what is personal, portable, and of sustained ambient necessity [meaning you're not generally tempted to discard it as a short-term burden], and touches upon vast swathes of daily living, with sometimes unclear boundaries.

My tone differs from the rest of the lead in being far more concrete about the shifting boundaries. There is some duplication of what went before (undisturbed), but treated so differently it seemed not for me to bridge the wide chasm.

I'm almost always a one-and-done editor. I take little ownership of my itinerant contributions. Revise or revert at will.

I will note that the world is heading toward a more systemic view of things, as you see with phrases such as systemic racism. Racism is not nearly so systemic as our clothing, if you pause your wagon long enough to look closely. — MaxEnt 21:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

"Maketh the man" or perish? Survival of the fitted-out?

Is there scholarly opinion afoot [sic] re: the chicken/egg perspective on the advent of clothing, perhaps analogous to opinion that the evolution of human intelligence was directed by hirsuited-ness; namely, hair [fur] began receding, inexorably favouring survival of the species members of greater intellect, intellect sufficient to react by inventing clothing, rather than perishing from exposure. Had our intellect not grown and responded satisfactorily, we wouldn't now be discussing this.

And opinion re: alternating climatic cycles; periods of greater or lesser glaciation. Favouring the development of clothing directly, or indirectly by precipitating the fur loss, possibly.

Putting my ancestral hat on, I'm confident my first priority would not be a loin leaf; rather, fashioning something to ease the discomfort of my feet after yet-another day of hunting and gathering, all while carting the kids and tools around. 122.151.210.84 (talk) 10:57, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

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Historical background

How about a historical section of prior teachings on the topic of clothing and health, by advocates of 'loose and comfortable clothing' (of which there have been several, some in the 'natural health' communities? Surely a history of teaching about 'what is appropriate clothing' is not out of order.

Historical Perspectives on Clothing Ethics

• Throughout history, various advocates, particularly within the natural health communities, have promoted the concept of loose and comfortable clothing as a fundamental aspect of clothing ethics. These historical teachings offer valuable insights into societal attitudes towards clothing and notions of what constitutes appropriate attire.

Ancient Traditions:

• Ancient Greece and Rome: Philosophers such as Plato and Seneca emphasized the importance of simplicity and moderation in attire, advocating for clothing that allowed freedom of movement and comfort.
• Eastern Philosophies: Traditional Eastern philosophies, including Buddhism and Taoism, often encouraged the use of loose-fitting garments to promote physical ease and mental tranquility.

Medieval and Renaissance Period:

• Medieval Europe: During the Middle Ages, certain religious orders, like the Franciscans, adopted plain and unadorned clothing as a symbol of humility and detachment from worldly possessions.
• Renaissance Humanism: Humanist thinkers like Erasmus of Rotterdam critiqued the ostentatious clothing of the nobility, promoting modest attire as a reflection of inner virtue.

19th and 20th Centuries:

• Victorian Era: Social reformers, including dress reform advocates like Amelia Bloomer, campaigned for practical and comfortable clothing for women, challenging restrictive and impractical fashion norms.
• Early 20th Century: Figures like Mahatma Gandhi promoted the use of simple, homespun garments as a means of self-sufficiency and resistance to colonial oppression.

Modern Movements:

• Natural Health Communities: Throughout the 20th and 21st centuries, proponents of natural health and holistic well-being have emphasized the importance of clothing that allows for unrestricted movement and promotes bodily comfort.

Exploring these historical teachings provides valuable context for understanding contemporary perspectives on clothing ethics and sheds light on evolving societal attitudes towards clothing and personal adornment.MaynardClark (talk) 05:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)