Talk:Cléo from 5 to 7

Outline of proposed changes

Not only would I like to largely turn the plot section of this article into a full length and detailed synopsis, but I would also like to provide an overview of the historical background that the film is taking place in. France during the 1960's was an extremely lively place to be, and I want to describe that to whatever audience this article will reach out to as much as possible. This film was released during the 1960's in France, a time period that was deeply affected by the Cold War, and specifically the Algerian War--the two of those conflicts will be important to talk about in the historical context section that I intend on adding to this page. Furthermore, I think that it is important to describe in more detail some of the themes that this film contains, such as existentialism and feminism (especially when social feminism was so important during this decade especially in France, in particular). I'd like to add to the cast if possible, but since I have yet to view the film in its entirety, I can't be too sure about what this article already has listed.

The sources that I have added to the new bibliography section are all tentative, as I have yet to thoroughly examine any of the resources (except for the work by Michael H. Hunt) and am not sure what information I will actually end up pulling (if any) from the sources listed in the section below.

-Mbond0718 (talk) 01:35, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Bibliography

Hunt, Michael H. (2014). World transformed, 1945 to the present. [S.l.]: Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780199372348.

Keeley '97, Kirsten, "Direct and Indirect Effects of Feminist Actions on Women's Rights in France" (1997). Honors Projects. Paper 2. http://digitalcommons.iwu.edu/french_honproj/2

Sink, Nancy. [/eli/evans/his135/events/womenslliberation/womensliberation.htm "Women's Liberation Movement"]. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help)

Borde, Simon de Beauvoir ; translated by Constance; Malovany-Chevallier, Sheila (2009). The second sex (New ed. ed.). London: Jonathan Cape. ISBN 9780224078597. {{cite book}}: |edition= has extra text (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

Baert, Patrick (14 September 2011). [/1502574/The_sudden_rise_of_French_existentialism_a_case-study_in_the_sociology_of_intellectual_life "The sudden rise of French existentialism: a case-studyin the sociology of intellectual life"]. Springer Science + Business Media. Retrieved 7 July 2015. {{cite journal}}: Check |url= value (help)

[/library/jean-paul-sartre/biography/ "Jean-Paul Satre: Bibliography"]. The European Graduate School. Retrieved 7 July 2015. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help)

Hagopian, Kevin. [/writers-inst/webpages4/filmnotes/cleofrom5to7.html "Film Notes: Cléo From 5 to 7"]. New York State Writers Institute. Retrieved 7 July 2015. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help)

Jones, Jim. [/jones/his312/lectures/algeria.htm "Algerian Independence"]. West Chester University. Retrieved 7 July 2015. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help)

-Mbond0718 (talk) 01:33, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Colour and black and white?

Where is the colour in this film? Cop 633 01:27, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

In the first scene, when the cards at the fortuneteller's are shown. The moment, after the first anaylses of the cards are ower, it is cut to the faces, the film contiues in b&w. Everytime I watch the movie (about twice a year) I'm still surprised at the color in the beginning. --89.54.180.227 23:16, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

@89.54.180.227 watching for the first time now, I was so surprised! very interesting. 64.106.111.97 (talk) 03:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 02:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Real time from 5 to 7

From the article:

The story depicts the life of Cléo in real time between 5 and 7 o'clock in the afternoon.

Actually, I think the story takes place between 5 and 6.30, it's only 90 minutes. Apparently all clocks in the film are synchronized to fit the diegetic time frame, so it isn't an issue of shortening events, here. I heard one argument claiming that the half hour left out is one of the most important parts, where Cleo really falls in love with the guy she just met. (I forgot the exact ending, but she meets a soldier who has to leave for Algeria.) 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 09:54, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, the article should really be changed and note that the story never actually reaches 7:00, which is obvious to anyone whose actually seen the film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.34.219 (talk) 21:01, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

18h30 is actually 19h according to French time ;-) 133.19.169.2 (talk) 06:22, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Did somebody see a different film than me? Cleo is not happy at the end.

I've seen this movie several times. I've read multiple reviews and synopses. I've never seen or read about any dialogue at the end between Cleo and her new lover about how they'll have time together. The doctor tells her she should begin treatment, indicates her chances of recovery are good (they can never be 100%, it's cancer), and drives away. Our last look at Cleo is from the departing car--we're leaving her behind, never to know how her story came out, and neither does she. She was preparing herself to die--now she has to prepare herself for the uncertainty of life.

Pretty sure the Criterion DVD would have included an alternate version where it's made clear she's going to be okay, and she's no longer afraid. She is not happy at the end of the film I've seen. She's hopeful, but in a frightened uncertain way. Agnes Varda doesn't do happy endings. Enigmatic ones, she does better than anyone. Xfpisher (talk) 22:05, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

A fake reference

Much of the material in this article claims to be sourced from http://en.unifrance.org/movie/344/cleo-from-5-to-7 ("'Cleo from 5 to 7' unifrance.org. Retrieved 2014-03-17" in the footnote). However, compared to Wikipedia's expansive treatment, that site offers very little in the way of plot or themes -- almost nothing, in fact.

It appears that someone with a fine and accurate sense of the movie disguised the origin of their original (or original research?) material by tracing it to an actually nondescript source. Not very Wikipedian but accuracy is better than nothing, I suppose, even if a false reference is worse. Larry Koenigsberg (talk) 03:48, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Shortening the Summary? Don't!!!

The summary given in the present article (Dec. 2019) is excellent. Someone has added a note that it should be shortened, but that would be unfortunate. Leave it as is. As for source, perhaps a reference can be given to the film itself, or a script, if one has been published? 133.19.169.2 (talk) 03:55, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

@133.19.169.2 it seems a bit overly detailed. why do you think it should remain? 64.106.111.97 (talk) 02:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

So I recommend removing the current maintenance tag. What's the correct procedure for that? 133.19.169.2 (talk) 03:57, 24 December 2019 (UTC)