Talk:Carrier onboard delivery

Greater scope

While the US has the largest number, and the largest carriers, other navies must have carried cargo to their carriers. I know of the RN and the Fairey Gannet COD.4 but were they the only other ones. Hence I tagged the article. GraemeLeggett (talk) 19:06, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree, and I've tried to rewite the Lead with that in mind. A PD photo of a Gannet COD.4 would be good to have, if we can find one, and maybe also one os an RN Sea King unloading cargo on a RN ship that makes it obvious it's being used in that role. - BilCat (talk) 14:54, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

I've found a blog that details some history of the COD role and aircraft. It's by Tommy H. Thomason, a published writer on naval aviation, so it should be somewhat useable as a source on the USN mission. Hopefuelly he'll publish a book in the future which includes this topic. BilCat (talk) 15:02, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

BilCat, your edits look good and reflect a more accurate description of the mission. Thank you. One minor point just fyi is that helicopters are used in support of the COD mission, but are not considered to be the actual COD. Essentially the aircraft (in the USN case a C-2) takes supplies from the shore to the aircraft carriers. The supplies are then divided up and delivered by helos to the smaller amphibious ships (too small to accept any other type of aircraft). Interesting note for Navy junkies is the fact that this mission approach - known as hub and spoke - is also used by commercial logistics companies like FedEx and UPS. Most efficient approach to COD. Bmcdev12 (talk)

Speaking strictly from a USN perspective. Bmcdev12 (talk)

Thanks. The mention of helicopters was in reference to the RN's use of Sea Kings that GL noted above. Hopefully we can find some reliable sources to elaborate on this usage in the history section. Also, I would assume that one reason the Marines are pushing the use of the V-22 in the COD role is to allow direct flights to the big amphibs when a carrier isn't nearby. It's too bad the Navy can't use both the C-2 and V-22 in the COD role full-time, as both have their own advantages. That is probably not possible in the current budget environment, so it has to be one or the other. I'll try to redo the mention of the V-22 in the text so it's less like a news blurb, when I have some time. - BilCat (talk) 15:47, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Copy. No rush. I think the V-22 mention is suitable for now until the Navy figures out what they're doing. Still in the testng phases from what I've read. Yeah, it seems like the budget situation is really affecting how much of the services are approaching future operations. This summer should be interesting to say the least. Bmcdev12 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:21, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

The Grumman C-2 Greyhound article mentions that the USN loaned a couple of those to the French navy for a couple of weeks during the campaign in Libya, indicating that the French navy doesn't have this capability otherwise. I guess delivering small amounts of cargo by air (compared to what an aircraft carriers carries) isn't seen has a necessity (I'm French). Aesma (talk) 17:17, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

@Aesma: (Very belated reply) I guess I missed this when you added it. From what I understand, the French Navy generally uses helicopters in the COD role especially the Super Frelon. For the most part, the CdG operates near coasts, especially in the Mediterranean, which would be in range for helicopters. On the other hand, US carriers regularly operate in the Pacific, which very vast an far from coasts. With the USN retiring the C-2 in the 2020s, I wouldn't be surprised if the French Navy isn't able to pick up a couple of C-2s very cheaply, especially as they already operate the closely related E-2. - BilCat (talk) 22:32, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

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