Talk:Cal Poly College of Engineering

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"Disambiguation in Wikipedia is the process of resolving conflicts in Wikipedia article titles that occur when a single term can be associated with more than one topic, making that term likely to be the natural title for more than one article. In other words, disambiguations are paths leading to different articles which could, in principle, have the same title."

Let's think about it this way, if there was a University of California College of Engineering article, where would it redirect? Would it chauvinistically redirect to University of California, Berkeley College of Engineering? I beg to differ. There are nine colleges of engineering in California associated with that name. In the Los Angeles Metropolitan Area, Orange County and the Inland Empire the term "Cal Poly College of Engineering" is associated with the college of engineering at Cal Poly Pomona. Officially or unofficially, people who are local to Cal Poly Pomona refer to the university as "Cal Poly". I'm sorry, but unless you can come up with a way to change their minds, which would obliterate room for confusion, there must be a disambiguation page.

--TheMexicanGentleman (talk) 01:02, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Cal Poly San Luis Obispo's elided name

I think the name of Cal Poly San Luis Obispo's College of Engineering should not be displayed in its elided form but the lengthier to avoid confusion. Otherwise it'll be exactly as the disambiguation page's name. I'll change it back in five days unless there's a good argument in favor of the elided form.--Marco Guzman, Jr (talk) 20:04, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I object. The article "Cal Poly College of Engineering," until recently, actually went to SLO's engineering page. There is no need for a disambig; hatnotes would do the job. "Cal Poly College of Engineering" literally *is* the name of the Cal Poly College of Engineering. As a compromise, I am fine with the entry being "Cal Poly College of Engineering (San Luis Obispo)." What do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.205.242 (talk) 10:25, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

A Google search for "Cal Poly San Luis Obispo College of Engineering" returns 22,200 entries whereas "Cal Poly Pomona College of Engineering" returns 15,600 entries. Clearly a lot of people use the term "Cal Poly San Luis Obispo College of Engineering" whether Cal Poly San Luis Obispo officials like it or not. To me and to the millions who live in the Greater Los Angeles area, the "Cal Poly College of Engineering" is in Pomona. We refer to the other college of engineering as Cal Poly San Luis Obispo or Cal Poly SLO for short. Wikipedia does not follow ridiculous corporate naming policies and no Cal Poly San Luis Obispo official will make me, and thousand of others, refer to our college of engineering as they please. They bully their own like they've had, they certainly won't bully me!--Marco Guzman, Jr (talk) 05:12, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Here are some third party sources which include the city's location to differentiate from the Cal Poly College of Engineering in Pomona:

California State University system

Los Angeles Times

A company founded by Cal Poly SLO engineering graduates

Linkedin network

UC San Diego

Cabrillo College

EVEN faculty members in the college of engineering at Cal Poly SLO do so

CHEERS!--Marco Guzman, Jr (talk) 05:28, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Since User:71.202.205.242 keeps reverting and opposes to address Cal Poly San Luis Obispo's college of engineering by its article name , I'll ask the assistance of an administrator to settle the dispute. Here's a highway-exit where California State Polytechnic University, Pomona is referred to as Cal Poly. Picture 1 and Picture 2.--Marco Guzman, Jr (talk) 19:32, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

'Cal Poly' is the official name of California Polytechnic State University. Such usage is explicitly rejected by Cal Poly Pomona. It is also the name that is literally used by the Cal Poly College of Engineering. Take a look at ceng.calpoly.edu. In addition to official usage, "Cal Poly" in common usage refers to California Polytechnic State University as well. Calpoly.edu, calpoly.com, calpoly.net, and calpoly.org all go to Cal Poly, not Cal Poly Pomona. In the NCAA, Cal Poly is referred to as the "Cal Poly Mustangs," whereas Pomona are "Cal Poly Pomona Broncos." In facebook, the universities are referred to as "Cal Poly" and "Cal Poly Pomona." Cal Poly Pomona recently added an additional "P" on its hillside, to make "CPP"-Cal Poly Pomona--this was explicitly done because the university was making sure people understood Pomona as Cal Poly Pomona. There is absolutely no reason to deviate from using Cal Poly's actual name, just because some Pomona editors are unhappy about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.205.242 (talk) 09:14, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to add that I am fine with using 'Cal Poly College of Engineering (San Luis Obispo)' as a compromise. Although I believe the "(San Luis Obispo)" reference is unnecessary, I think it would be a fair middle ground. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.205.242 (talk) 09:23, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Even if I wanted to do so, according to Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Usage_guidelines:

"Do not pipe disambiguation links. Showing the entire linked article title avoids confusion, which is the reason for the link in the first place."

Hence "Cal Poly San Luis Obispo College of Engineering" should be the title displayed for the college of engineering at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo in the Cal Poly College of Engineering disambiguation page. Further, that's precisely why there's a hatnote on top of the introductory paragraph of each article. I'll make the change in five days if there's a Wikipedia policy that would overturn the one just described. CHEERS! --Marco Guzman, Jr (talk) 03:07, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

This goes to the heart of my position. The article name "Cal Poly San Luis Obispo College of Engineering" is incorrect, and should not be used. Up until recently, the article title was, in fact, "Cal Poly College of Engineering." I suggest we change the name of the "Cal Poly San Luis Obispo College of Engineering" article to "Cal Poly College of Engineering (San Luis Obispo)." This way, we can list the full title of the article in the disambig link. What do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.65.182.71 (talk) 03:15, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Well if you want, you can make a request for a name change on the Cal Poly San Luis Obispo College of Engineering talk page. Until then, per Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Usage_guidelines, the "unpiped" name for Cal Poly San Luis Obispo should be displayed.--Marco Guzman, Jr (talk) 12:04, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

How do I make a name change request? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.65.182.77 (talk) 00:17, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind, I got it going. Sawagner201 (talk) 00:31, 6 March 2010 (UTC)