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I dont think anyone is confused as to what Bryson City, North Carolina is.

It isnt a world renown tourist trap, it doesnt have a massive population nor is it the home of unique booming industries...overall it is a pretty cool town with a neat history. Summing it up, there isnt really much Pop Culture to be had though. The current IPC section has 2 short entries, and both are novels. Suttree at least has a rather vast and multigenerational cult following, but it could be argued its placement here could be against the Wiki guidelines on good vs bad IPC entries (See: Wikipedia:"In popular culture" content#Good and bad popular culture references). The second is a novel that, being fair, might have a bit of a fan base but is just one in a series of other tales by the author, nothing real special, and its not exactly a series that had a massive pop culture impact. Its got its fans that know it and like it, but those outside that niche likely never heard of it, and less may recall it has anything to do with Bryson City.

I attempted to add an entry here in relation to the recent "Railroader" video game and Bryson's importance in it, and it keeps being undone for various reasons that seem nonsensical to me. First it was undone for "Unsubstantiated Claims" (still not entirely sure what that was even meant to mean, that vague statement could be used to remove half the article), then removed when sourcing was "unreliable" (relying only on the blanket status that entire website has under current wiki guidelines, ignoring that the particular page referenced was loaded with source material including pictures and notated diagrams of the layout, but OK at least there was some validity to this removal reason), but now it was deleted because the users subjective opinion is that the game is "non-noteable". It is the only video game that has ever featured Bryson City in a prominent position of importance, and despite being a highly niche game it has sold thousands of copies. My subjective opinion is that it is notable enough in the context of an article on Bryson City, North Carolina. Several other wiki articles have games big and small referenced in their IPC sections when the place or the item is noteworthy in the context of the game itself, because the question is not "is the game noteable to the whole of the gaming industry?", the context is "is the subject of the article noteable in the context of the game?". As far as I can see, if a game that sells thousands of copies and features the city greatly isnt notable enough to belong here, then "Fatal Voyage" is also just as odd an entry.

So I leave this here, for the handful of people who may be invested in coming to a decision. Should Bryson City have an IPC entry noting the only video game that is known to feature the city in a prominent and important light, a game that is also centered around Railroading which is a core part of the city's history? If so, restore my previous edit to the page (and also, correct the formatting error in the section. Are we doing bullet points, or are we not doing bullet points?). If not, then dont and ignore this. I dont live in Bryson or even the same state, and I have no affiliation with the game in question outside of being one of its thousands of players, so I dont have a vested intrest in how this goes. Just humorously frustrating that this is one of the few edits ive made thats being challenged, the inclusion of a game in a Pop Culture section. TheRazgriz (talk) 21:42, 14 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

@TheRazgriz: I took a look at the diffs and it looks like the first revert was from not citing any source at all, the second revert was due to citing a deprecated source, and the third was for not citing anything again. Complaining that other things on the page aren't cited is legitimate, but it doesn't excuse continuing that trend (cf. WP:WHATABOUTX); put in a {{citation needed}} req, find the source yourself, or be bold and remove it (which means allowing WP:BRD to occur naturally).
As for "Railroader", I actually do think that there might be value in having it on the page; I don't think that just because the game isn't notable enough to have its own page that that should mean that it's not notable enough to mention here. That said, I am likely to support the motion to add such a claim on the condition that you can substantiate the claim with something other than a self-published source or another wiki. I wasn't able to find anything like that in a cursory search, but feel free to try. ThaesOfereode (talk) 01:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Your only problem with the addition is simply that there is not a "proper" citation for the addition. Correct me if that is not true.
It would seem to me that since a Google search of "Railroader game Bryson" lends several results in text/image/video format that make it obvious that this isnt a fabrication (vandalism) and the only issue present was finding a "Wiki approved" source, the right and proper approach would have been to add a {{citation needed}} to it as opposed to defaulting to an undo/reversion simply for lack of citation (WP:ROWN), that is sort of the point of the tag itself as far as I have ever understood it and seen it applied.
As for the specific charge of whataboutism, it is null, but the attempted point is noted despite the error. TheRazgriz (talk) 04:05, 15 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
As no further discussion has taken place in the many months since, I have once again added the entry to the IPC section with a different, valid citation.
If you disagree with adding the entry, discuss it and get a consensus first, as no one seemed to disagree enough to give a reason why the entry itself isnt valuable to the article. If you want to remove it anyway, at least actually remove it, dont just undo the valid format edit as well. TheRazgriz (talk) 00:54, 24 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
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