Talk:Billy "Crash" Craddock Sings His Greatest Hits
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editEvidently ...sings His Greatest Hits isn't a complete sentence and isn't a distinct album title. As per Neil Sedaka Sings His Greatest Hits. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:27, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- And yet...
- etc. clearly call the album "Sings His Greatest Hits". Album titles are, let's say, held to a lesser standard of grammaticality. Not sure what a completely unrelated album title has to do with the title of this album. Dohn joe (talk) 02:33, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- I think most readers would consider the Library of Congress copyright record is a more reliable source than listings where obvious duplication has been omitted. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:44, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- In any case the most useful item for iPhone readers is the album cover, which I found and uploaded earlier. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:47, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- Certainly, the Library of Congress is an excellent source - for the official name. But WP uses all reliable sources in determining the WP:COMMONNAME. And in this case, it looks like more reliable sources use "Sings His Greatest Hits". And please, for the last time - just because an album cover uses an artist's name does not mean that the artist's name is part of the title. Please restore this title and start a proper RM. Dohn joe (talk) 03:04, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- I have improved this article, given it sources, given it a recognizable title in accordance with sources and provided a cover. There's no reason to treat it differently from the Sedaka or Little Richard albums, and frankly I think you are coming very close to trolling. But if you don't mind I would like to leave this now and have a look again on Monday. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:15, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- Certainly, the Library of Congress is an excellent source - for the official name. But WP uses all reliable sources in determining the WP:COMMONNAME. And in this case, it looks like more reliable sources use "Sings His Greatest Hits". And please, for the last time - just because an album cover uses an artist's name does not mean that the artist's name is part of the title. Please restore this title and start a proper RM. Dohn joe (talk) 03:04, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- In any case the most useful item for iPhone readers is the album cover, which I found and uploaded earlier. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:47, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- I think most readers would consider the Library of Congress copyright record is a more reliable source than listings where obvious duplication has been omitted. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:44, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
The reason to treat it differently would be if sources treat it differently. I think it fairly evident that a majority of sources use the shorter name. In addition to the 6 listed above, there's also discogs.com; billboard.com; see also online sellers such as amazon.com and musicstack.com. This compares with the five sources cited by In ictu: the LOC, Billboard, Goldmine catalog, Rolling Stone record guide, and the Big Book of Country Music. Billboard, as we have seen, uses both titles, so is no help. Sources clearly favor the shorter title. Dohn joe (talk) 02:41, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
- No. If all quality sources were consistently treating a compilation subtitle as a title then maybe, but a few lesser sources not repeating "Billy Craddock Billy "Crash" Craddock Sings His Greatest Hits" doesn't mean we should obstruct the reader on this one. We already put a great deal of effort into making finding songs and albums difficult, but to do so here goes beyond WP:DICK to being destructive. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:05, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
- No need for such emotive language as "destructive". Nothing is being destroyed by discussing which title better suits WP policies. And let me ask - where is your evidence that any readers whatsoever have been led astray in trying to find this article, or had any trouble with the current WP system of primarytopic for songs and albums? Do you have any evidence, or is it just a gut feeling? Dohn joe (talk) 11:54, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
The operating system of an Android mobile does not operate on "gut feeling", when confronted with "Sings his Greatest Hits" an Android mobile cannot distinguish between:
- Neil Sedaka Sings His Greatest Hits, 1963
- Little Richard Sings His Greatest Hits, 1966
- Billy "Crash" Craddock Sings His Greatest Hits, a greatest hits collection by the country singer, 1978
- Dion (singer) Sings His Greatest Hits, 1962
- George Jones Sings His Greatest Hits (Starday 1962)
- Tony Williams (singer) Sings His Greatest Hits, 1962
- Ernest Ashworth Sings His Greatest Hits, 1976
- Grandpa Jones Sings His Greatest Hits, 1954
- Colin Blunstone Sings His Greatest Hits, 1991
- Frank Sinatra Sings His Greatest Hits (Columbia/Legacy, 1997)
- Sings His Best Hits for Capitol Records, Ronnie Milsap
- And yes I honestly believe that to remove either "Neil Sedaka" or "Billy Craddock" here would go beyond WP:DICK to being destructive. In ictu oculi (talk)