Talk:Bill Belichick/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 22:57, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

I'll review. Comments should be up within a week. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:57, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Meant to get to this sooner, Calidum, but the review is being drafted now. It will be up when complete. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:50, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

No worries. Thanks for the update. Calidum T|C 23:02, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Lead

• "Bill" in "Bill often studied football" should be "Belichick" per WP:SURNAME or "He"

Coaching career

Early coaching positions

• "In 1976, he joined the Detroit Lions as their assistant special teams coach before adding tight ends and wide receivers to his coaching duties in 1977. He spent the 1978 season with the Denver Broncos as their assistant special teams coach and defensive assistant." needs to be sourced

New England Patriots (1996)

• This is entirely unreferenced

New York Jets (1997–1999)

• "Belichick had two different stints as the head coach of the Jets without ever coaching a game" is unreferenced

New England Patriots (2000–present)

• "Pioli left for the Kansas City Chiefs after the 2009 season" needs to be sourced
• The entire second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth paragraphs are unreferenced
• Where's the source for "The Patriots' failure to attain a "perfect season" (undefeated and untied, including playoffs) preserved the Miami Dolphins as the sole team to do so, having finished their 1972 regular season at 14–0 and having won three games in the playoffs. Only two other teams in professional football have recorded a perfect season — the 1948 Cleveland Browns (14–0) of the then All-America Football Conference and the 1948 Calgary Stampeders (12–0) of the Canadian Football League. No team in the former American Football League had a perfect season"?
• The tenth paragraph is entirely unreferenced
• "The Patriots finished the 2012 regular season with a 12-4 record and made it to the AFC Championship game before losing to the Baltimore Ravens, ending their season" is missing a source

Sideline videotaping controversy

• "Gary Myers, New York Daily News columnist, stated Belichick" → "Gary Myers of the New York Daily News stated Belichick"
• Belichick's quote needs a source, and so does "The sanctions against Belichick were the harshest imposed on a head coach in league history until the New Orleans Saints' Sean Payton was suspended for the entire 2012 season for allegedly covering up a scheme in which bounties were paid for deliberately knocking opponents out of games".

Contract status

• "an ESPN.com report in September 2007, shortly after the Spygate incident began, indicated that the Patriots had extended Belichick's contract, before the 2007 season began, through at least the 2013 season" needs to be sourced, and ".com" isn't needed for ESPN

Overall record in New England

• "Belichick is far and away the winningest coach in Patriots history; his 175 wins with the franchise are more than triple those of runner-up Holovak. He also has compiled a 21–8 record in the playoffs with New England, and 4–2 in Super Bowls. Belichick has led the Patriots to twelve division titles, including five consecutive titles from 2003 to 2007 and six consecutive titles from 2009 to 2014 (and only missed the playoffs on tiebreakers in 2002 and 2008). He and the Patriots lost to the Giants in Super Bowl XLVI 21-17. But in 2015, the Patriots defeated the Seattle Seahawks in Super Bowl XLIX 28-24, winning their first championship in a decade" is unreferenced. Additionally, "far and away the winningest" isn't very encyclopedic

Head coaching record

• Is this chart necessary if it replicates article prose? If so, it needs more than just one reference.

Coaching tree

• I don't know if this should be in list form, and it needs many more references.

Personal life

• I would include when Belichick first met his wife Debby, when they first got together, and when they married
• Try to give a more definitive statement than "They allegedly separated" per WP:ALLEGED
• Too much detail on his children; best to just have their names, the bit on Stephen being an assistant coach, and perhaps when they were born.
• Detail on Belichick's ancestry belongs in the "Early life" section
• "Steve Belichick was an advisor on the sidelines of the Patriots through the 2004 season, and was famous for taking a hit accidentally from Patriots wide receiver Troy Brown in a game in 2000; he was not hurt in the incident" is unsourced, and really belongs in the Steve Belichick article rather than here
• "Steve Belichick maintained strong ties with the Croatian community in Pennsylvania. When he married, he changed his surname from Biličić into Belichick at the suggestion of Immigration Center" also belongs in Steve's article, not here

Media and entertainment

• Shouldn't this come before personal life?
• Everything except for A Football Life and Rescue Me should be removed as trivial, and there's no need to include "Denis Leary" before Rescue Me.
• The Rescue Me point is unsourced
• I'm not sure this should be in list form.
• "won't" is discouraged per WP:CONTRACTIONS

References

• Some dead links need fixing
• There should be no bare URL's; references need authors, names of works, titles of articles, and accessdates
• "Sports.espn.go.com" should read ESPN
• "ESPN.com" should read "ESPN" and shouldn't be italicized
• "SI.com" should read Sports Illustrated
• USA Today should be italicized
• "sportsillustrated.com" should read "Sports Illustrated" in italics
• "Suntimes.com" should read Chicago Sun-Times in italics
• "Msn.foxsports.com" should read Foxsports.com
• "Sports.yahoo.com" should read Yahoo! Sports
• "NBCsports.com" should read NBC Sports
• "mycentraljersey.com" should read Courier News in italics
• "The" is part of the title for The Boston Globe
• "Usatoday.com" should read "USA Today" in italics
• "zap2it.com" is not reliable
• Is "Grantland" a reliable source?
• "The" is part of the title for The A.V. Club
• YouTube is discouraged as a reference for potential copyright concerns

Overall

• Well-written?

• Prose quality: Could be better
• Manual of Style compliance: Many issues

• Verifiable?

• Reference layout: Needs lots of work
• Reliable sources: Close, but not quite
• No original research: Dead links make content more difficult to verify, and lots of content is missing sources

• Broad in coverage?

• Major aspects: Almost
• Focused: Unneeded detail needs cutting

• Neutral?: I'm not sure "winningest" is a neutral term

• Stable?: Looks good

• Illustrated, if possible, by images?

• Appropriate licensing: No copyright violations
• Relevance and captioning: All are relevant, but two of the captions need adjusting. For File:Bill Belichick 2012 Shankbone.JPG, "Time" needs to be in italics for Time 100, and 2012 shouldn't be in the link. For File:Bob Kraft-George Bush-Bill Belichick.jpg, the caption should read "Belichick, (right) at the Patriots visit to the White House in 2004".

• Pass or Fail?: Failing; too many problems for this to be passed or placed on hold. I cannot in good conscience pass an article for GA with so much unreferenced content, especially a BLP. As a rule of thumb, each paragraph should end with at least one inline citation. If multiple references are needed to support a paragraph's content, use more citations as needed. Please work extensively on sourcing before renominating. Snuggums (talk / edits) 12:54, 13 June 2015 (UTC)