Talk:Berlin School of electronic music

Clean up

"The genre's identification with space music made it distinct from the more percussive and rhythm-oriented Düsseldorf School which included Can, Cluster, Kraftwerk, and Neu!. These latter bands have had a greater impact upon synth pop and techno while the Berlin School provides roots for ambient, electronica, New Age and trance." Can were from Cologne, not Düsseldorf (these two cities are fierce rivals), and Cluster formed in Berlin, but recorded in the country.

This article contains a big mess of mistaken information. I am sorry I cant contribute for now, I really do not have enough time.--Doktor Who 16:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

A few notes wrt. my recent edit

• Toned down the New Age references. For example with regards to TD's progression in the 80s and later: "increasingly New Age-like" seems to be better than claiming this or that point as the definite moment of TD becoming NA.
• Remoovd Trip-Hop as an influenced genre; added a reference to Trance instead. Feel free to add Trip-Hop back if there are genuine reasons, but I don't see anything hinting at BS in the TH article... Trance, on the other hand, starts right from Schulze in the history section.
• TD's "Astral Voyager" has repeatedly been refuted as being a mostly 80s work. I can link the tadream discussion on this if it's required.

And things I think would be needed:

• A link to Electronic art music somewhere, seeing that Berlin School is classified as a subgenre of it in the list of electronic music genres.
• A few more artists might be needed to be mentioned in the "Latter-day Berlin School" section. I'm thinking elaborating on the late 80s mostly - Mark Shreeve, Rober Schröder and what have you.

--Tropylium 15:53, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Suggest merging with Krautrock, article here is poorly sourced, with duplication and overlap evident. Semitransgenic _talk. 14:27, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

There could be a case for merging with something, but Krautrock doesn't seem like a good fit — this is an electronic genre, the latter a rock genre. The historical overlap does not extend substantially beyond the initial 70s artists. (The Krautrock article could perhaps use further comments on this than it currently does, though.)

It's also unclear to me how merging would help with sourcing issues, which is surely an orthogonal problem. --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 13:01, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm not experienced enough to know about sourcing issues etc, but I can tell you with 100% conviction that if this is to merge with anything, then Krautrock is correct. Despite the rock part of the word, Krautrock is a very broad church which definitely incorporates 100% electronic music. Donnyrosco (talk) 12:43, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Redirect – there isn't anything to merge except for whatever is written in the AllMusic book.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 03:05, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

My 2¢, set this merger aside, I don't see much enthusiasm or grounds, really. Berlin electronic is somthing worthy of being called out for people on it's own - more apprepriate as a "see also" topic. Krautrock was a German fusion of Anglophone funk and psychedelic. In my opinion -but not just my opinion- the quintessence of Krautrock is Klaus Dinger's drumming which has little to do with the ambient abstraction of the Berlin groups like TD. The "motorik," descended from the song "Apache" is what beats in the heart of Krautrock. Dgetzin (talk) 19:45, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

@Dhetzin, this Apache?