Talk:Bay of Pigs Invasion/Archive 3

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Che

The flag against Che in the info box is Argentinian. Is this supposed to represent his nationality or the side he was representing? Burrobert (talk) 11:02, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Most likely nationality! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 12:54, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

NPOV

Has anyone noticed that this article isn't even remotely NPOV, not to mention fairly incoherently written? Someone should fix that. 98.237.242.206 (talk) 02:41, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps 98.237.242.206 would like to tell us exactly how to improve the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c4:7c87:4f00:25bc:b3af:c915:446b (talk) 14:56, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Casualities -- "10 on the firing squad"?

In the Casualities section, one of the categories listed is "10 on the firing squad". My guess is that this means "10 by firing squad", but I'd like to have this statistic confirmed.--NapoliRoma (talk) 21:27, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Background: Causes section unfocused

The Causes section at the end of the Background section is unfocused, containing details that are marginally relevant at best—loss of assets by Cuban emigres, the interest rate on the repayment bonds, "the fact that Fidel Castro was in favor of an aggregation of Central and South American states". These are hardly reasons for an invasion and not mentioned anywhere else in the article. Broadly speaking, the causes are:

1. Economic: American assets and property nationalized (as discussed in the previous section, Tensions with the United States)
2. Political: Castro increasingly hostile to U.S. The goal of the operation, to overthrow Castro (discussed in the next section), should be included in the Causes section. Additionally, the fact that Castro favored the Soviet Union and communism was surely a factor, but may be hard to quantify (there is danger of bias here, but maybe some reliable sources discussing it exist). Criticism of Castro as undemocratic may also have been a factor, or more of an excuse (again, danger of bias quantifying this).
3. Cuban exiles: Besides the U.S. motivations, we should include the motivations of the Cuban exiles (mentioned by @Plazak: in the talk page archive)

Basically, the major causes are already discussed in the surrounding sections and this section should summarize them concisely. I plan to edit this section soon, but since my proposed changes essentially entail completely rewriting it, I am leaving this notice inviting discussion on what this section should contain. So please let me know if any of the content I mentioned should be excluded or if I missed something important that should be included. Thanks! Burritok (talk) 01:34, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Update: I rewrote the section trying to capture the main causes without getting too bogged down in details discussed elsewhere in the article. There are some points still missing, including the motivation of the Cuban exile troops. If anyone has good points to add or sees something to correct, please do so! Burritok (talk) 06:15, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

I've been treating this section more as "Causes leading to the invasion" than as "Causes of the invasion's failure", which is already discussed in the Later Analysis section and includes your point. Burritok (talk) 16:47, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

(WP:DFTT) - wolf 07:19, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Best way to discuss poor referencing?

I'm extremely inexperienced with Wikipedia, but I wanted to bring up a horrendous reference I found scanning this article today.

Under Invasion day (17 April) the article states "Osvaldo Ramírez (leader of the rural resistance to Castro) was captured by Castro's forces in Aromas de Velázquez, and immediately executed." and the reference for this (165) goes to the landing page of what you could charitably describe as an amateurishly hosted independent commentary website that is extremely biased, and I cannot find any mention of Osvaldo Ramírez on that page. Should this line not be removed?

Mitchromley (talk) 18:16, 25 May 2021 (UTC)