Talk:Batman Incorporated

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was move. JPG-GR (talk) 20:49, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Batman, Inc. → Batman Incorporated — Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:34, 15 November 2010 (UTC) This is the new actual title of the series, as shown in solicits and advertising. --CmdrClow (talk) 00:03, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

And the indicia? - J Greb (talk) 00:20, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

It's also worth noting that the references in use, where the series is specically named, Batman, Inc. is used. As doe DC's online listing for the comic - [1] - J Greb (talk) 00:30, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

As you're well aware, the indicia has yet to be released. These advertisements and solicitations: 1, 2, 3, 4, and on an ashcan cover HERE, as well as these outside-DC articles in The Wall Street Journal and USA Today, all refer to the book as Batman Incorporated instead of the title of this article. --CmdrClow (talk) 00:31, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Then it would seem the best course would be to wait the 2 weeks for the issue to go on sale, to be sure of the "correct title", yes? - J Greb (talk) 00:37, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that's necessary, since the current evidence overwhelmingly supports the new title, and the logo released at the end of Batman and Robin #16 as well as the title in mainstream newspapers and comic websites, as well as the ashcan edition cover, all supports the title change. --CmdrClow (talk) 00:40, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Nor is jumping the gun necessary. You may in fact be right in your conclusion that DC has changed its mind on the magazine's title. But it is a conclusion none the less. The published comic in hand steps away from speculating since the indica can be pointed to.

The sources you point to would do nicely if some one wanted to expand the article to show DC changed how it is promoting the book. As mentioned, DC on-line listings, solicits released through on line out lets and Previews for comic shipping this month and in December, and the sources, that name the series, currently cited in the article use Batman, Inc. There seems to be something there that can be, and likely should be at this point, mentioned in the aricle.

- J Greb (talk) 00:58, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Previews for November went to press before the title change. When retailers (including me) look up the title's item number, this is what pops up: [2]. The buck stops when Diamond alters the solicitation in their own database for retailers, as they always get the first update. Even DC's website isn't as reliable as the retailer database for a delayed book or explanation of other content, or price changes, etc. The following released solicits for numbers 2 and 3 also show the altered title. --CmdrClow (talk) 06:11, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Anyone else want to chime in? --CmdrClow (talk) 07:38, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

his method of cloture through silence is unbecoming and unproductive. --CmdrClow (talk) 06:22, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Whose? If you're pointing at me, I'm involved in the dicusion so my closing it when I haven't been won over by you arguments wouldn't be a good thing. Or did you miss type "[T]his"? (Been there done that myself... Ctrl-t instead of Shift-t)

Aside from that, I take it that the Previews for December, and related press releases, were also finalized before Diamond changed the non-public accessable website? At this point, aside from the potential of an "I told you so, it changed." post, I really don't see a down side to waiting another week.

- J Greb (talk) 16:10, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

J Greb wins. Fatality!129.139.1.68 (talk) 12:38, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

No use in putting something that can get done now, but I guess procrastination wins out. Again. CmdrClow (talk) 01:47, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Indicia says "Inc." but Diamond and DC advertising, as well as the cover still goes with "Incorporated." --CmdrClow (talk) 04:19, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Right... Then I'd say the article sticks with the publication's actual title and the trade dress and ad copy get's pointed out within the body of the article. And this is something I mentioned up thread - the change in DC's marketting copy after the Previews for comic shipping in December, so mid-late October 2010, is something substantive that can be included within the publication history. - J Greb (talk) 11:54, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

• Is this proposal still active? If it helps to settle things, put me down as a support - if we can't decide which of two titles is the "real" one, we may as well follow our usual practice of eschewing abbreviations.--Kotniski (talk) 13:42, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
  • The indicia - the magazine's actual title - uses the abbreviation for the first two issues. I would have though that would have closed the issue. That the adds and trade dress don't, at least from the point the 3rd issue was solicited on, use an abbrviation can, and should have been added into the publication history section. If the indecia changes with the 3rd issue, we may want to revidit this though. - J Greb (talk) 22:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
    • Are the indicia all-important? According to this, DC Comics themselves call it "Incorporated" (they also call it "Inc." on the same page, but presumably if they're using both then they're treating the shorter one as an abbreviation). It also seems to be called "Incorporated" on the cover.--Kotniski (talk) 16:13, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
      • Assuming the inconsistency is "just and abbreviation" doesn't really sit well since we’d be assigning a motive/reason for something. The indicia is the title the magazine is legally registered under for distribution purposes, so yes, I'd say it is "all-important" at this point. If, after time, the common term for the magazine sifts out as the long version, we can move it then. But that is something that takes generally takes years not months. Right now both versions are in common use. - J Greb (talk) 17:41, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
        • All right, if they're both in common use, then it doesn't matter much which we use, but common sense tells us that it's the title on the cover that people are going to notice (and use) rather than the one in the legal small-print, so I would rather go with the cover title for now until we find out what the world is calling this.--Kotniski (talk) 07:56, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
          • And the same logic holds for sticking with the initial title and indicia. You may we be right and "Inc." will dissapeare entierly from reliable source material. But that hasn't happened yet. - J Greb (talk) 16:30, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

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Steve Rogers (comics) similarity

Would it be worth noting the similarity between Marvel Comics' Captain America also being presumed dead, sent back in time, his estranged former side-kick taking on the mantle, returning from the dead and assuming command of a large entity (in Rogers' case, being head of national security and re-establishing the Avengers) under the formerly secret civilian name? It's kind of uncanny. Dictabeard (talk) 07:33, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Possible mistake in the caption of the picture Batman_inc_cass.jpg

I don't know the first thing about Batman Inc. or its characters but the caption says "From left to right: Batwing, Nightrunner, El Gaucho, Blackbat, Red Robin, Mr. Unknown, Dark Ranger, and Batman" and I'm pretty sure the sixth from the left is Batman (also accounting for the fact that he seems to be battling Clayface). So just guessing from the costumes, shouldn't the caption be "From left to right: Batwing, Nightrunner, El Gaucho, Blackbat, Red Robin, Batman, Mr. Unknown and Dark Ranger"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.2.255.244 (talk) 08:30, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

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