Talk:Baden

Article?

What is this page all about? It looks like a disambiguation page but there's already Baden (disambiguation), it has a long bibliography with no use that looks like WP:SPAM. Ruddah (talk) 15:28, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

My thoughts exactly! Gerard von Hebel (talk) 10:37, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

"Baden" also is a "wine appellation" region,

no idea how en.wikipedia handles that, so up to you who know better ... 46.142.0.197 (talk) 00:45, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Baden history is shared by Switzerland and Germany

The old version fails to even mention any Baden across of the German border, which might be to nationalistic partial-education in Germany.

The Swiss also historically hold historic contempt to the Habsburgs and anything associated with them, today Baden is the most neglected town in Switzerland & that is not a coincidence. The original Baden is next to Habsburg castle in Switzerland & it was the nucleus of Elite families (Lenzburgs, Kyburgs & eventually the Habsburgs), in 1415 the Swiss ended the Habsburg influence in Switzerland & traditionally the modern Swiss don't consider it part of their history.

The article will naturally get torn apart by the majority of people who have lineal contempt towards Baden of the Habsburgs

The timeline I organized is as follows:

• Counts of Baden (1040-1172) [1] (South of the Rhine river)
  • Kyburgs in Baden (1172-1264)
  • Habsburgs in Baden (1264-1415)
  • County of Baden (1415-1798)
  • Canton of Baden (1798-1803)
  • Bezirk Baden (1803-Present)
• Margraviate of Baden (1112–1806) (North of the Rhine river)
  • Electorate of Baden (1803–1806)
  • Grand Duchy of Baden (1806–1918)
  • Republic of Baden (1918–1945)
  • Württemberg-Baden (1945-Present)

Droveaxle (talk) 06:08, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

I think you are confusing a few things. The Swiss town Baden has nothing to do with the Margraviate of Baden, neither has the Canton of Baden. They just happen to share the name. The latin name Aquae was quite common for places with hot springs like Aquae Helveticae, now Baden (Switzerland), or Baden-Baden, until 1931 just named Baden. In several cases, Aquae was translated to the German word Baden. Aquae Cetiae is today known as Baden bei Wien, and similarly, Aquae Sulis is now named Bath. Baden(-Baden) gave its name only to the Margraviate of Baden north of the Rhine and its successors. --Sitacuisses (talk) 21:22, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

(outdent) The article is about Baden in general, Baden will not have any meaning without the Lenzburgs, Kyburgs & Habsburgs. They created the first Baden, the various names are also mentioned, so need to omit anything. You can elaborate on a specific Baden on the Baden article. Its the same as the Sonora on both side on US-Mexican border. Rio Plata on the Tri-border, its natural for uninformed locals to think their own locality is the original one, but the references are there so please read. The Habsburg ruled every bit of Baden both in Switzerland & Germany, the original habsburg castle is in Baden South of the river, they fought the local commoners & eventually lost Baden south of the river. Also read on Habsburg attempts to revive the Ducky of Swabia & the chronic Anti-Habsburg policy of the Swiss. If you don't have an anti-Habsburg agenda then simply elaborate (don't omit). Droveaxle (talk) 11:26, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

No, the article about (the word) Baden in general is Baden (disambiguation). I've already read a few things about the Baden that is now part of Baden-Württemberg, I also attended the large anniversary exhibition Baden! 900 Years in the Baden State Museum in 2012, and I don't remember any reference to Baden (Switzerland). --Sitacuisses (talk) 22:19, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

The Historical Dictionary of Switzerland says that Swiss Baden was once ruled by the Habsburgs ("Passata per via ereditaria ai von Kyburg (1172) e poi agli Asburgo"), not that Swiss Baden shares the same history with German Baden (it is imperative we maintain WP:INTEGRITY). It also says that German Baden is part of modern Germany ("Teil des Landes Baden-Württemberg"), not part of modern Switzerland. The other source provided by Droveaxle (habsburg.net) is irrelevant because it is WP:USERGENERATED and thus fails to be WP:RELIABLE; the WP:BURDEN is on Droveaxle to provide a reliable source backing up their extremely dubious claims. Regarding "anti-Habsburg agenda", please assume WP:GOODFAITH.--Omnipaedista (talk) 06:49, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

I will assume you are not aware that the Swiss current state is the lineal historic enemy of the Habsburgs, so naturally they will try to diminish Baden of the Habsburgs Baden extends on both sides of the Rhine. You want to claim that the Swiss border is the accurate division between the two Badens, which in the Swabian & Habsburg era was one region known as Baden, with the core & origin 10 Kilometers south of the German border, the Habsburg castle & the town of Baden. Also the article is about Baden, not the German or Swiss Baden, so nobody has the right to omit the Baden they don't want people to learn about. Droveaxle (talk) 08:00, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

You don't know what you're talking about. Please try to find a different hobby and leave this article alone before you get blocked. According to history books, the Margraves of Baden belonged to the House of Zähringen, not to Habsburg. --Sitacuisses (talk) 18:13, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Please, do research on Baden south of the river (that you keep deleting), no one is denying the existence of Baden North of the Rhine. The problem is your denial of the existence of Baden across the river inside Switzerland! Droveaxle (talk) 15:57, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Wrong again. Please read Wikipedia:What is an article?. This article is about the Baden that originated from the Zähringer family. There are other articles for other meanings of the word. You can find them in Baden (disambiguation), which is linked at the top of this article. We don't mix different topics in one article just because they share the name. --Sitacuisses (talk) 17:17, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

These topics have separate articles (Baden (Grafschaft, Bezirk) vs. Baden (D)) even in the Historical Dictionary of Switzerland that you gave as a source. We do just the same, create separate articles for separate topics. There is nothing in your so-called sources that confirms a relation between the two topics. --Sitacuisses (talk) 22:19, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

From the Habsburgs to the 19th century, a recognized Baden existed on both banks of the Rhine

As we clearly see in those 19th century maps, Baden geographic integrity was preserved on both sides of the Rhine, as late as the 19th century. Droveaxle (talk) 08:26, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Again you show that you have no idea what you're talking about. Please read at least some reputable literature about the history of Baden. Historischer Atlas von Baden-Württemberg may be a good start, especially the PDF of Territorialentwicklung Badens bis 1796. --Sitacuisses (talk) 18:24, 7 May 2018 (UTC)