Talk:Baburam Bhattarai/Archive 1

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Madheshis are india backed ?? this is highly partial view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scyfie (talk • contribs) 18:41, 3 October 2011 (UTC) ALL BHATTARAIS ARE NOT BABURAM. BUT BHATTARAI PAGE IS REDIRECTED TO BABURAM'S. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Div22bh (talk • contribs) 08:22, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Obviously this was written by a fan. "revolutionary struggle". Baburam is a murderer people. You krackers need to stop glorfying him.

hilarious

I wish somebody could add more facts about him. He is a wonderful person.

Dr. Baburam Bhattarai is a paradoxical genius. He is definitely leading a fight of uncertain future, nevertheless, I feel that the nation would have been more proud of him had he applied his genius for the good of the nation and of its people.

The person who wrote this is truly incredible, how did they know so many facts about such a obscure political figure (i particularly liked the chess part). On a more serious note I am happy how he and Prachanda have worked with the seven party alliance to over throw the king.

Is it "Baburam" or Babu Ram?" DanielM 12:11, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

A few things:

First of all its Baburam, not Babu Ram. Second of all it was obviously written by a fan. There is no way that this has a NPOV. Third of all, I agree that the majority of Nepali people do not support Baburam as the people who wrote this page do.

Interesting account

The story references the article of Euwe. Wikipedia should not reference itself, however. In the Euwe article, the story has been deleted. See: Talk:Max_Euwe#Simultaneous_exhibition_in_Nepal -- Zz (talk) 12:33, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Extraordinary and likely exaggerated claims

The article stated: Bhattarai had the highest score (national topper) in the national School Leaving Certificate (SLC) in 1970. In 1972, he was a national topper in the Intermediate Science exams (I.Sc.). But, the source does not say anything like that, and it is conspicuous by its absence. -- Zz (talk) 12:42, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

The article further claimed: "Bhattarai was a brilliant student all his life—‘There isn’t an exam in my memory he did not top,’ says one of his teachers. This claimly was tactically placed as if were referenced by a source for some other statements following. But that source does not say anything about this claim. -- Zz (talk) 12:45, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I have provided the references, the claims are not exagerated. DBhuwanSurfer (talk) 02:33, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Minister of Finance

The article wrote: Dr.Baburam Bhattarai became the first Finance minister of the republic of Nepal under the Maoist led government. He proved himself as the first finance minister who dramatically succeeded in achieving the financial target declared by the government. He is also known as a dedicated personality in his work who makes his dream come true. The achievement of Finance Ministry in the fiscal year 2009/10 is one of the success that counts the strength of Maoist led government. He produced a large scale budget plan for the first time in the economic history of Nepal which was termed highly ambitious by other political parties that was not possible to achieve. Dr. Baburam Bhattarai showed his caliber after successfully meeting the revenue collection target of the first government of Republic of Nepal.He was in a great pressure to prove the Maoist government because it was his agenda that the Maoists should lead the government and work in a different political situation instead of continuing the "people's war". Language and content are mostly unencyclopedical, and it is unreferenced. I deleteted it. -- Zz (talk) 13:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Zickzack! I think we know who would write such positive remarks for the person. DBhuwanSurfer 04:42, 5 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DBSSURFER (talk • contribs)

Edit request from Sulavtimsina, 31 August 2011

Please change " After his brilliant performance he was awarded the Colombo Plan Scholarship for his further study.

(Honors)in 1977 from Chandigarh under the Colombo Plan Scholarship."

to

" After his brilliant performance he was awarded the Colombo Plan Scholarship for his further study(Honors) in 1977 from Chandigarh under the Colombo Plan Scholarship."

because there is an unnecessary line break and a full-stop after the word study

Sulavtimsina (talk) 14:17, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Done — Bility (talk) 00:14, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

The article stated: In SLC-2026 BS/1970 AD, he scored the highest marks in Nepal among total examinees. After his SLC he joined I.Sc. in Amrit Science Campus, Kathmandu. In this level also he had been an outstanding student and topped the board again. After his brilliant performance, he was awarded the Colombo Plan Scholarship for his further study (Honors) in 1977 from Chandigarh under the Colombo Plan Scholarship.

There are not any sources for these claims. Quite a lot of exaggerated claims have been added to the article before, and yes, there is a source for calling him an outstanding student. While I cannot say if this source is trustworthy, it is conspicuous by its absence that even a source in which he is called an outstanding student does not make mention of the claims above. -- Zz (talk) 14:12, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

I have provided the references. DBhuwanSurfer (talk) 02:31, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

All of the above mentioned qualifications of Baburam is true, the only need is the references. DBhuwanSurfer (talk) 02:05, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I have not found a reference for the supposed scholarship. And I would like to see a reference for the other claim that has been written before it appeared in Wikipedia. -- Zz (talk) 14:02, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

: I gave the references and have referenced the scholarship as well now. here they are again:

http://www.ekantipur.com/2011/08/29/editors-pick/always-first-bhattarai-first-in-politics-too/339873.html http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/jnu-scholar-baburam-bhattarai-becomes-nepals-new-prime-minister-129655 http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2011/08/28/dr-baburam-bhattarai-–-new-prime-minister-nepal http://monthlyreview.org/author/richardpeet Let me know if you need more.

Terrorist Background and InterPol Red Corner Notice

Background of Baburam clarified with links to his underground terrorist activities and InterPol Red Corner Notices that were issued against him and many of his political partners. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack of All, Master of None (talk • contribs) 21:23, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Terrorist is an inappropriate descriptor, unless you can show multiple reliable sources that clearly define the subject as such, and even then it would require in-text attribution (For example, "Example organization has reffered to Baburam Bhattarai as a former terrorist," not "Baburam Bhattarai is an ex-terrorist"). - SudoGhost 12:46, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, it is not only inappropriate but also naive to tag the current prime minister of nepal as a terrorist. Nor the references back them.HunterSilver (talk) 01:37, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I think both SudoGhost and HunterSilver are one and the same person because HunterSilver just popped up once referenced point regarding Baburam Bhattarai being an ex-terrorist came up and SudoGhost started deleting the reference made to Baburam Bhattari being an ex-terrorist. This is a known fact that Baburam Bhattari, Pushpa Dahal and the clan were branded as terrorists and had interpol notices served against them. I have put two well sourced links (one from a Nepali National newspaper and another from an international website regarding this). Any further attempt by SudoGhost and HunterSilver to modify the refereced point will lead to them being served notice. You have to take your personal liking for a person outside Wikipedia. We very well know that the sons and daughters of Baburam and Prachanda are studying in USA and elsewhere. So are you one of them? It's amazing that the articles don't talk about the criminal background of Baburam. He might be a PM but PMs of many countries have criminal backgrounds. - Jack of All, Master of None — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack of All, Master of None (talk • contribs) 17:04, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

The content is a WP:BLP issue, and the sources you gave do not show what is being said in the edit. The source does not say "Interpol has issued red corner notices against Baburam Bhattarai for terrorism.", it says 14 individuals, for offenses including terrorism. There is a difference there, and unless it can be shown that this individual specifically is called a terrorist by INTERPOL, the edit is inaccurate and will be reverted per WP:BLP. Another issue is that it requires multiple sources showing that the subject is commonly called a terrorist by reliable sources, otherwise it is WP:UNDUE to do so, especially in the lede of the article, and cannot under any circumstances be done without proper in-text attribution, as was explained above. There are issues with the edit and short of addressing those issues, the content has no place in the article. Throwing around hollow accusations is not addressing the content, if you have concerns that I am editing under multiple accounts, open an WP:SPI, otherwise your comments are personal attacks, and unnecessary. - SudoGhost 17:38, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Ok, so you should have told that you do not agree with the wordings and you could have changed the wordings rather than remove a vital link in the past of Baburam Bhattarai's life. I have changed the wordings to following: "Baburam Bhattarai along with 14 other persons had interpol red corner notices issued against for terror related activites. [1] [2]." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack of All, Master of None (talk • contribs) 18:15, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Ok Sudo Ghost, I would like you to come up with a summary of what those links say. Until then I will be reverting back to the edit as I consider that the summary is an accurate one without copy+pasting the entire aricles. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack of All, Master of None (talk • contribs) 18:18, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Ok, so you should have told that you do not agree with the wordings and you could have changed the wordings rather than remove a vital link in the past of Baburam Bhattarai's life. I have changed the wordings to following: "Baburam Bhattarai along with 14 other persons had interpol red corner notices issued against for terror related activites. [3] [4]."

This is still not exactly what the sources given say, the sources say 14 persons were charges with things including terrorism, not "each of the 14 persons were charges with terrorism", there is a difference in the wording, and without sources showing that this is a significant event, is still WP:UNDUE to place in the lede of the article. The lede is supposed to be a summary of the article itself, not a place for additional content to be placed. The non-lede portions of the article need to address this content, not the lede. - SudoGhost 18:21, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

• I just reverted this edit due to the blp issues raised on the ew notice board. Darkness Shines (talk) 18:48, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Darkness Shines, please advise under what pretext did you undo my post on [Baburam Bhattarai] page. I see no discussion from you on this link. My post is well sourced and well linked. You need to provide a reason before reverting back. You cannot go behind the personal whims and liking and interpretation of a single person. The facts put there about Baburam Bhattarai are well over the internet and in the minds of public opinion.

Hello editors to this page. I have a few comments about this article and how it could be improved. In relation to the discussion above, it seems that Bhattarai was wanted by Interpol a couple of times, based on numerous reliable sources, but that these were both withdrawn(once in 2002 and the second time (in May 2006).[5][6][7][8][9][10][11]. It probably needs to be mentioned, very carefully, based on the highest quality sources. It is clear in the last two references (and some others) that the "terrorist" label was actually applied and withdrawn listed by the Nepalese government of the time: not exactly an independent source given that they were in conflict with the Bhattarai et al at the time. I'll point out what should be obvious that it was and would be incredibly inappropriate per BLP to state that Bhattarai was an "ex-terrorist" or to attempt to tarnish this individual's reputation with inaccurate and incomplete (since they were withdrawn) information about Interpol warrants in the WP:LEAD of all places. For multiple reasons, not least of which is that being wanted for a crime does not mean that one is guilty.

Here's another suggestion. You might want to try putting the whole article in chronological order, with information about his early life and education near the beginning. At present it is very confusing to start with information about demands etc. We have no idea who he is, and why or under what context he did this. Slp1 (talk) 19:34, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Interpol never tagged Baburam or any other maoist leader as terrorist, they were only branded as rebels during the guerilla war by interpol. As such, what the User Jack is trying to force here is unacceptable. Its clear by the use of words and provocation of the user that, the user does not seek WP:Consensus and is just being disruptive. The user is directly accusing others as sons of terrorists etc. There is a lot of personal attack from the user. I would suggest Jack to reflect himself than to accuse others. It looks Jack has anti-maoist views embedded in him from his word choices.HunterSilver (talk) 02:19, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Slp1, there are millions of articles on Wikipedia which are chronologically not in order or are incomplete. Wikipedia develops with more and more information that people add-in with time. The information about the Warrant issued against Baburam and 14 others is factually correct and well sourced and IS A FACT. The wordings on the article now reflect exactly what the articles say. What happened before and after, is to be added by me and by different wikipedians as and when more information is available. Wikipedia is a continuing work and it is not a complete encylopedia on any given day. It keeps changing and hopefully it keeps changing with the factually correct information. If your argument was to be taken that - every event of Baburam's life has to be put in and then only this point about 'issuance of warrant' against him is to be put in then, you and everyone needs to do this on each and every article of Wikipedia. No article on wikipedia is to be published until and unless it is FULLY COMPLETE. This is not what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is a continued WORK IN ACTION. This is not a valid argument that you put in. --Jack of All, Master of None (talk) 20:03, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Hunter Siver, this is what "Tha Kathmandu Post", of of the national dailies of Nepal, wrote in 2003. Similar info is in WikiCables - posted at the bottom of this talk page.

"KATHMANDU, NOV 29 - Interpol has issued red corner notices against 14 Maoist leaders, for offences including murder and terrorism. The notice makes the Maoist leaders liable to be arrested in any of the 181 member countries of Interpol."

And this what Baburam Bhattara's article says, ". In 2003, Baburam Bhattarai along with 14 other persons had interpol red corner notices issued against them for crimes such as murder and terrorism."

You are trying to DENY what is FACTUALLY correct. Repeated denials cannot make WHAT WAS as WHAT WASN'T. --Jack of All, Master of None (talk) 20:36, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

That still isn't accurate with what the source says, the wording you placed in the article insinuates that Baburam Bhattarai was issued notices for "crimes such as murder and terrorism", and that's not what the source says. Also again, saying it in the lede isn't the right place for it, the lede is a summary of the rest of the article, and multiple reliable sources are required for something as negative as you're placing in the article, otherwise it is WP:UNDUE and runs afoul of the WP:BLP policy and the WP:TERRORIST guideline. - SudoGhost 21:36, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Caretaker status

http://www.nepalnews.com/home/index.php/news/1/19134-president-directs-bhattarai-govt-to-work-in-caretaker-status-assures-of-peaceful-and-democratic-outlet.html

http://www.ekantipur.com/2012/05/31/top-story/prez-cant-call-to-form-natl-govt-aide/354818.html

There are several other news as well which have confirmed the caretaker status of the PM of Nepal. stop deleting this or be blocked.HunterSilver (talk) 16:14, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

To make it more clear, Nepal's situation is unlike any other country in history and present right now. The Constituent assembly is dissolved. The current ministry elected by the CA assembly is thus invalid. Due to this the president has directed the prime minister as caretaker. There is no boundary of the degree pf power in the Nepalese president or the prime minister. Nonetheless, the prime minister is caretaker and has no other right since 31st may.HunterSilver (talk) 22:30, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

WikiLeaks cable

Hi, all. This article isn't one I'm likely to take part in editing, but I noticed a users post to the Help Desk about it, and looked around a little. Others will have to investigate it more closely than I've been able to do, but it appears from a WikiLeaks cable that a redcorner notice against Baburam Bhattarai was withdrawn at some point. Says the cable, PREVIOUS RED CORNER NOTICES AGAINST MAOIST LEADERS WERE WITHDRAWN AFTER THE CEASE-FIRE TOOK HOLD IN JANUARY 2003. THESE EARLIER NOTICES HAD BEEN ISSUED AGAINST LEADERS SUCH AS PUSHPA KAMAL DAHAL, ALIAS "PRACHANDA," DR. BABURAM BHATTARAI,... ( All caps in the original, I'm not shouting, but only too lazy to re-type. ) Hope this is useful to all of you. --OhioStandard (talk) 19:20, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Not really clear, this one is a bit more reliable and crystal clear may be? -->>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3246066.stm

Please be clear though that although there was a red corner notice, interpol branded them only as 'rebels' as they were guerilla leaders. They were in no way tagged terrorists.HunterSilver (talk) 02:14, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Neutrality Tag

I have put in the neutrality tag over the first section of this article. Until we come to FACTUALLY CORRECT conclusion, we need to keep this issue raising. --Jack of All, Master of None (talk) 20:13, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Need redirected

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