Talk:BBC Children's and Education

2021 Refresh

This page appeared to be very out of date and information which was significant at the time (eg Delivering Quality First) distorts from a general history of BBC Children's services. In addition, titled CBBC it held duplicate content of the page name CBBC Channel. I'll describe the steps I'm taking as I refresh the page and incorporate previous comments on the talk page as I go through the work.

1. Step 1

As no one has commented on this page for a while I have taken the bull by the horns and removed the channel infobox and renamed the page to BBC Children's and Education so that CBBC across wikipedia now directs to CBBC Channel instead of here. This seems to deal with issues mentioned on this talk page previously and included here.Neneway (talk) 10:43, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

We have a channel infobox for this article, but it's not actually about the channel. It wrongly gives the impression that it's referring to a standalone channel that launched in 1985, rather than a programming strand (especially with the "Sister channel: Cbeebies" in there). -Bonalaw 18:19, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

I've removed it, and merged it with the very similar one on CBBC Channel. BillyH 18:42, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

My mistake, I hadn't spotted the CBBC Channel page. Jbattersby 18:57, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Recently 86.25.38.209 re-added the channel infobox - I'd like to remind people that this article is about Children's BBC, a part of the BBC, not the CBBC Channel. Have removed. _TheIslander 17:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

_TheIslander I noted your reinclusion but went with the majority view. The duplicate box here is confusing as we are talking about the department that runs both the CBBC and CBeebies channels.

1. Step 2 - WORK IN PROGRESS

Following on from this I will to strip out duplicate information that can be found on other pages, linking to more accurate updated information and focussing on an overarching history of BBC Children's here. In historical terms, I define Children's BBC to be the BBC department as managed by these people. List_of_directors_of_BBC_Children's
Neneway (talk) 10:43, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

CBBC target audience

There was a bit of confusion earlier this year regarding age ranges, due to Mark Thompson's announcement of Creative Future. But the BBC has now clarified things as no change on CBBC target audience (6-12). The teen offering will not be a channel or station - rather a collection of content suitable for teens (13 - 17) across TV, Radio1 and the web. I think they are intending to start some of the new programming in the first half of next year. Damson88 16:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Why 2 parts

Why are the 2 parts on Programmes shown on CBBC while the frist one has all except Smile and the sencond on only have Smile? --User:Bobthebobthetimothy 12 18:14 December 2006

watch my chops

I don't live in the UK so has Watch My Chops a.k.a. Corneil and Bernie stopped airing on the CBBC channel and Saturday/Sunday Morning Cbbc?-Spongebobpwnsjoo

Nevermind, it airs on the cbbc channel.-Spongebobpwnsjoo

Byker Grove

Byker finished in December on the CBBC Channel, but hasn't been on BBC1 yet. So it's still current until it has been shown, surely? Digifiend

BBC Children's

Now, I can see why BBC Children's could technically be notable enough for it's own article, but as far as I can see, it never will be. For that reason, I suggest merging it with this article, and I will do so soon if there are no objections. _TheIslander 16:22, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot to sign comment from yesterday. I've gone ahead and merged it now. _TheIslander 16:22, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I have made some updates today and requested that this page should be renamed BBC Children's and take readers to the two core services that BBC Children's provides; CBBC and CBeebies. This page duplicates with CBBC (TV channel).Neneway (talk) 11:32, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Logos

The logos need splitting onto two lines, you have to scroll right at 1024x768 resolution. Digifiend 12:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC) Rats, forgot to log in. I've altered the username link. Digifiend

Hang on, 1024x768 isn't the standard low resolution anymore, though, is it? I thought it was 1280x1024, in which the logos look fine. I'm happy to be proven wrong, though, with the right sources. _TheIslander 12:51, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

History

If possible can the History of cbbc be included. for example; more focus on the Broom Cupboard + various studios and how it developed along with gordon the gopher, ed the duck, otis the aardvark, etc with photos. And mini bios on the presenters and where they ended up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.194.165.9 (talk) 21:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Presenter changes

The new prsenters are Ian and Hacker the dog

"Great Britain"

As far as I can gather, the CBBC Channel is available in Northern Ireland as well. I'll change this to United Kingdom and if someone can verify that it isn't available in NI then feel free to change it back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TomB123 (talk • contribs) 16:06, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Current Presenters

The current presenters section should only list presenters who are currently in the office or due back in a few weeks. Oucho has no comfired return date meaning he should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.234.199 (talk) 22:41, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Clean up

Hi, been having a quick look through, and there are a few things that catch my eye. Firstly, the VHS releases list should probably by furthur down the article, and not at the top in the History section. Also, the list of childrens programmes is impressive, but it might be prudent to put it in two or three columns to make it look neater. The Coming Soon section also needs some work, as the tone isn't quite right in my opinion. The presentation section is relatively good, but i'm not sure if tables are the best form of showing the presentor lists. The other section is also good.

I know how i must sound, and so i applaud your efforts, the information in the article is huge and a tribute to what is acheived, however a little more is needed to make this article perfect. Regards Rafmarham (talk) 21:55, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for the effort, I can see all the work that has gone into this article. My only concern is that there should be some distinction made between this page the strand and CBBC (TV channel) the channel. I have added an about tag at the top to make this clear, but the CBBC (TV channel) page is pitifully empty of information and details. I know that someone will rise to the challenge. Rafmarham (talk) 14:41, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

BBC Children's - confusion about CBBC

This article is confused and full of mistakes, some of which i have corrected.

CBBC is now the name of one of BBC Children's (not "Children's BBC") two channels - for 6-12 year olds. The other channel is CBeebies, for those under six. These channels have existed since 2002, NOT 1985.

In 1985, the BBC started branding it's children's programmes on BBC1, which had been broadcast since the 1940s, as Children's BBC, later known as CBBC.

In 2002, two digital channels were launched. The on-air brands are CBBC and CBeebies. The division of the BBC that runs them is called BBC Children's. It is part of BBC North, NOT BBC Vision.

The Director of BBC Children's is Joe Godwin (since November 2009, taking over from Richard Deverell) - he is NOT the Controller. Each of the two channels has a Controller; Damian Kavanagh for CBBC (since 2009) and Kay Benbow for CBeebies (since 2010)

The list of presenters is properly a list of "presentation presenters" - i.e. the people who present the links between the programmes. This is in no way a comprehensive list of people who present programmes on CBBC or CBeebies.

Definitions: BBC Children's - business division. The division of the BBC (part of BBC North, based in Salford) that produces and broadcasts all children's content, on TV and online. CBBC - on air brand. The digital channel and website for children 6-12, and the brand used for CBBC programming when shown on BBC1 and BBC2. CBeebies - on-air brand. The digital channel and website for children under 6, and the brand used for CBeebies programming when shown on BBC1 and BBC2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.184.100.197 (talk) 23:17, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for this. This is a good summary of the distinction between BBC Children's and Children's BBC. I think that this page should be about the business division which has a massive cultural significance in the UK and be renamed BBC Children's. I have started a Director of BBC Children's list and updated to reflect Joe Godwin's departure and the appointment of Alice Webb in 2015.Neneway (talk) 11:37, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Future Merger

I have just added to the article a section about the Delivering Quality First proposals that would see the CBBC programmes on BBC One and Two to end after the digital switchover. As a result, it has led me to consider the future of this article. At present, this article focuses on the programming strand that will end after switchover, with the CBBC (TV channel) article focusing on the digital channel that will suceed the strand.

I believe that after this change occurs, the CBBC and CBBC (TV channel) articles should be merged. At present, the latter article contains very little information to avoid overlap with the former article. The merger would add body to the article while retaining the history of the strand article.

I know this is preemptive, but I believe it is best to get this out of the way so that the articles can be quickly altered after the change. Rafmarham (talk) 09:38, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I think merger would create more problems than it would solve. There's a clear difference between the strand and the channel, and the channel only focuses on what was historically about a third of the strand's target audience with another channel having inherited another third or so (and the remaining third was somewhat abandoned). Timrollpickering (talk) 00:46, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Urgent Tidy Up of Current Presenters

I used to keep a good track of the "Current Presenters" article, and recently this part has been vandalised and tampered with to an extreme level. Names have appeared of presenters that have never existed claiming that these presenters have been here for a long period of time - False. May I suggest a format table such as the one below, and could people please confirm the current presenting shifts?

Name	Presenter since	Day presenting	Time presenting
Iain Stirling	23 May 2009	Example	Example
Hacker T. Dog	23 May 2009	Example	Example
Chris Johnson	9 January 2010	Example	Example
Dodge T. Dog	6 April 2010	Example	Example
Ceallach Spellman	April 2012	Example	Example
Ben Hanlin	18 July 2012	Example	Example

--55tompty55 (talk) 08:46, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

BBC Videos

Some of it might Look Fake. Tell them to check the History for this article and it will show the template of the videos in a table that someone removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.109.35.109 (talk) 09:55, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Episodes of Ivor the Engine, Bagpuss and the Clangers on BBC Children's Favourites (BBCV 4011) in 1981

• Ivor The Engine- a Home Fit for Birds,
• Bagpuss and the Ballet Shoe,
• Ivor the Engine meets Nell the Old Sheepdog,
• The Clangers and a Tablecloth,
• Ivor The Engine- A Strange Bubble Contraption
• Ivor the Engine and the Foxes of Mrs Porty
• The Clangers and the Seed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.3.92.47 (talk) 20:56, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Fact about the The Greatest BBC Children's BBC Video Ever

This VHS marks the only appears of 'Nursery Rhyme Time', 'Hairy Jeremy' and 'The Animals of Farthing Wood'. This is also the very last Children's BBC video to have 'The Clangers' and 'Funnybones'. This is also the first Children's BBC video to included 'Spider!' and 'William's Wish Wellingtons' are seen together for Hibbert Ralph Entertainment. This VHS also marks the last time 'The Little Polar Bear' to be shown until 'Toybox 2'.

Videomadman xxx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.101.236 (talk) 17:30, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Need to give some idea of what a "strand" is

I'm a fairly well-educated American who has been a fan of British and UK shows for most of my life, so please don't think this is just one unusually ignorant person complaining. I have never run into this usage of the word "strand" before! I don't know if it needs its own page with a link, or just a parenthetical explanation after its first use, or what, but if I don't know what it means here, I have to think that the are an awful lot of other non-UK people who don't understand it either. Critterkeeper (talk) 05:16, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

I'm British, and I believe it's basically the UK equivalent word to "programming block". I.E, you'd wake up in the morning and CBBC would be on the main BBC One channel, then the strand (block) would end and another would take it's place, like Daytime programming such as Bargain Hunt, Homes Under the Hammer, etc. TIGHazard (talk) 12:05, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Other

BBC press office says Alison Sharman took up her role as the new Controller of CBBC in June 2005. I read that she actually started in July. Was there any reason for changing it from July to October? Damson88 22:00, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

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Advice wanted about a 1970s BBC1 children's show

"Horses Galore" has gone to AfD for lack of refs. Anybody know of a good place to find stuff about old BBC children's programs? Thanks,

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