Talk:Ayu Tsukimiya/GA2

Latest comment: 7 years ago by Piotrus in topic GA Reassessment

GA Reassessment

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As I explained above (Talk:Ayu_Tsukimiya#Not_notable.2C_suggest_merge_to_List_of_Kanon_characters) this article has major issues, namely failing WP:OR and WP:GNG. In other words, it fails the following Wikipedia:Good article criteria: 2b, 2c. Notability also means it should't even be an article in the first place (see suggested merge to Kanon list of characters). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:07, 8 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Oddly, notability is not a GA criterion. WP:OR, however, is an issue that must be dealt with. Of course, if the article is merged before this GAR is completed, the GAR ends immediately since the article no longer exists... BlueMoonset (talk) 03:06, 9 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
I don't see much of a consensus for a merge thus far but will wait for other editors to weigh in. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:10, 9 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
I see your point but we only have two small paragraphs of critical reception about the character. The rest are parodies about her. There is a user in the Wikiproject for manga and anime who always collects reviews and brings them to the talk page so I think we could ask for help before the article is merged.Tintor2 (talk) 22:17, 9 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Question - Have Japanese sources been sought for? Given the popularity of Kanon (particularly the original VN) there could be coverage about Tsukimiya out there in Japanese. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:06, 10 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Oh, forgot about liking the user User:Allen4names. Sorry if this bothers you.Tintor2 (talk) 15:15, 10 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

For what it is worth I added some references to {{Refideas}} at Talk:Kanon (visual novel). – Allen4names (contributions) 06:18, 11 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. Added two to this article.Tintor2 (talk) 00:15, 12 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Update Managed to find more reviews that mention Ayu and added them to the article.Tintor2 (talk) 00:37, 12 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

  • Thank you. Whatever happens, this section will certainly survive, even if merged. I'll however point out that we still haven't found a single source about the character, only mentions of her in reviews of the anime. As the anime is relatively popular, it is of course given she will be mentioned in passing in a number of sources. But passing mentions, and those seem to be all we have so far, are problematic when it comes to proving she deserves a stand-alone article. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:31, 12 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
@Piotrus: If you mean like awards, then I think I couldn't find anything about the character.Tintor2 (talk) 20:11, 13 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
@Tintor2: I meant - can we find any article about that character? Not about the anime Kanon in genera in which she is mentioned in passing (and it is hard to write about Kanon without mentioning Ayu...)? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 23:54, 13 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
If you need a reference, try Ellie (The Last of Us). While some of the references are just taken from interviews and game reviews, a lot of the references talk directly about the character, such as this, this, this, this, and this. I'm not sure if you'll find have any luck finding individual articles about Ayu, but at least you know what to aim for. Famous Hobo (talk) 02:41, 14 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
@Famous Hobo: I am a bit confused. Those articles don't seem to mention Ayu at all, and therefore seem off topic here? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:16, 27 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
You're right, those articles have nothing to do with Ayu. But, what I'm trying to show is that for finding references for character articles on wikipedia, try and find references that primarily focus on the character in question. For example, Ellie (The Last of Us) is a very notable character, to the point where gaming websites have written multipage analysis articles on her. The current Wikipedia article for Ellie does a great job of finding articles specifically about Ellie. What I'm trying to suggest is for Ayu, try to find articles that soley talk about her, whether that be from a development or reception standpoint. Don't just use small portions of articles or interviews that don't focus on her to comprise the references. Hopefully that made sense. Famous Hobo (talk) 19:29, 27 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Sorry but, I think I cant add more since I am on a wikibreak. I am not sure if there is an article with a bigger focus on her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tintor2 (talkcontribs) 18:54, 20 January 2017 (UTC)Reply