Talk:Aubrey House/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: SilkTork (talk · contribs) 09:44, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

I'll start reading over the next few days and then begin to make comments. I am normally a slow reviewer - if that is likely to be a problem, please let me know as soon as possible. I tend to directly do copy-editing and minor improvements as I'm reading the article rather than list them here; if there is a lot of copy-editing to be done I may suggest getting a copy-editor (on the basis that a fresh set of eyes is helpful). Anything more significant than minor improvements I will raise here. I see the reviewer's role as collaborative and collegiate, so I welcome discussion regarding interpretation of the criteria. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time}

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GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose is clear and concise, without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

Comments on GA criteria

Pass

• There is a reference section. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 09:47, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
• Article is stable. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 09:47, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
• Article doesn't go into too much depth on any issue. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 10:32, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
• Article is richly cited, but has been tagged since September as needing citation in one place. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 10:35, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
• No evidence of original research. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 10:39, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
• No evidence of bias. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 10:39, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
• The one image in the article (a picture of a wall plaque) meets copyright. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 10:42, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Query

Fail

• Lead. To meet GA criteria 1(b), which relates to specific manual of style guidelines, the article needs to comply with the advice in WP:LEAD. That is, in addition to being an introduction, the lead needs to be an adequate overview of the whole of the article. As a rough guide, each major section in the article should be represented with an appropriate summary in the lead. Also, the article should provide further details on all the things mentioned in the lead. And, the first few sentences should mention the most notable features of the article's subject - the essential facts that every reader should know. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 09:47, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
  • I've expanded the lead accordingly. No Swan So Fine (talk) 00:24, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
• Prose mainly serviceable and readable, but is choppy, with single sentence paragraphs, list sentences, and unfinished information, so we feel a little teased in places rather than informed. This is related to the broad coverage criteria mentioned below. Some time spent filling out detail will hopefully fill out the prose as well, so we informative paragraphs which explain and describe. Organisation needs attention - we get this as an entire paragraph: "In 1873 the Taylors sold Aubrey House due to Peter's ill health and moved to Brighton." And then two paragraphs later, and in a separate section we get: "The house was bought from the Taylors by William Cleverley Alexander..." Also, see MOS:SURNAME for use of surnames rather than first names. Also we get this as the final paragraph: "A London County Council blue plaque was unveiled in 1960 to commemorate the notable residents of Aubrey House." With no indication of who is mentioned on the plaque. Again, some time spent on building up the article, and looking at it from a reader's point of view will help. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 10:32, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
  • The follow on paragraph concerning the Taylors sale is demonstrative of the post-Taylor era of the house; it has never since had such a storied history or such prominent owners. I've used first names to distinguish the husband and wife Alexanders from each other. I've listed the personages on the plaque. No Swan So Fine (talk) 00:24, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
• Lacking in information. Time could be spent gathering more information and building the article a little more, as indicated above. Research will normally throw up more sources to explore, which in turn will throw up more sources. I just spent a few minutes on the internet and found these: [1], a local study, but plenty of info and some nice images; and a book that could be useful: Aubrey House, Kensington, 1698-1920 by Florence M. Gladstone, published by A. L. Humphreys in 1922. Looking at this Lost Hospital of ondon blog: [ http://ezitis.myzen.co.uk/aubreyhouse.html], and it gives a slightly more informative and helpful summary than is present in the current article. Our article says: "Between 1914 and 1920 Aubrey House was used as a hospital as part of the war effort for World War I", apart from the clunky language, the impression given is that the entire house was used as a hospital, while the blog entry makes it clearer. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 10:32, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
  • I'm wary of citing the wordpress blog, though I believe utterly in its veracity. The blog did not exist at the time I wrote the article in 2012. The very next paragraph cites the Lost Hospitals blog with the information you found lacking. No Swan So Fine (talk) 00:24, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
• There is only one image used in the article, and we have nothing of the building itself, even though it is an old building and fair use images are available, as indicated by this blog. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 10:42, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

On hold

Review on hold for seven days to discuss issues raised so far. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 11:02, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Note left on nominator's talkpage. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 14:09, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Well done on the work done so far. Do you think there's a realistic chance of attending to all of the issues raised in a reasonable space of time? SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 19:35, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Not listed

Closed as not listed. Article still does not meet GA criteria. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 10:17, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

My apologies, I didn't notice the above prompt. No Swan So Fine (talk) 10:54, 29 December 2016 (UTC)