Talk:Alexander Bain (inventor)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Whiteguru (talk · contribs) 09:15, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Starts GA Review. The Review will follow the same sections of the Article. Thank you --Whiteguru (talk) 09:15, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

 

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Observations

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

   HTML document size: 115 kB
   Prose size (including all HTML code): 17 kB
   References (including all HTML code): 30 kB
   Wiki text: 23 kB
   Prose size (text only): 11 kB (1839 words) "readable prose size"
   References (text only): 4415 B

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

• controlling railway engines is not quite correct. Telegraph was used by railway signallers to regulate the safe movement of trains. This was called single or double line Block safeworking.

• Copy edited accordingly to say, He installed the railway telegraph lines between Edinburgh and Glasgow, Scotland, for recording messages, to regulate the safe movement of trains, marking time, giving signals, and printing information at different locations. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:43, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

• My sense is that Edinburgh and Glasgow do not need links; instead, you may wish to (either) link to or refer to the Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway.
• linked accordingly.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:43, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

• The citation from reference 8 does not make sense. Please explain how telegraph controls railway engines with electricity by turning on and off steam. There is something not quite right with this citation.
• Reworded accordingly. -Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:43, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

1. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

• Good coverage of Bain and his inventions. References are well resourced.

1. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

• NPOV is presented in this article.

1. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

• Page created 30 December 2004
• Page has 379 edits by 153 editors
• Majority of edits in 2021
• 90 day page views = 3,369 with a daily average of 37 views
• Article is rated Start class
• Page is stable, no vandalism, no edit-wars

1. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

• Four images on page;
• File:Alexander Bain.jpg = Unknown origin; fair use claimed
• File:Alexander Bain stone plaque.png = Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 Generic license.
• File:Bain-clock.jpg = Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Germany license.
• File:Bain improved facsimile 1850.png = circa 1850; fair use claimed
• Images are appropriate and tagged

1. Overall:

• Good work, a good read and well referenced.
• May we discuss the issue raised around reference 8? Thanks. --Whiteguru (talk) 08:18, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

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• @Whiteguru: I don't have that journal in front of me now, however here is a Lecture on Alexander Bain that says the same thing on page 2, In December 1841, Bain in conjunction with Lieutenant Thomas Wright RN, patented a method for using electricity to control railway engines by turning off steam, marking time, giving signals, and printing information at different locations. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:59, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
• @Doug Coldwell: I appreciate that you have cited the source. If we leave things as they are, we will be open to ridicule and challenge. My sense is that the railway telegraph, as mentioned above, was used to control the movement of trains as per safeworking and adherence to movement of trains in block sections (usually from signal box to signal box). So marking time, giving signals and printing information is fine. Operation of steam locomotives on the railway - in Bain's time and today - has always been done by humans: drivers and firemen. So my common sense says either drop this phrase or replace it with "control of railway trains", albeit agin the text of Steuart. I've driven trains: I'm telling you, no telegraph operates trains. --Whiteguru (talk) 11:23, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
• @Whiteguru: I've reworded it ->In December 1841, Bain in conjunction with Lieutenant Thomas Wright RN, patented a method for helping to control railway trains with the use of electricity. Will that work?--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:00, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
• Fine. We'll go to GA status, then. Thanks for your work. --Whiteguru (talk) 12:38, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

• @Whiteguru: All issues have been addressed. Can you take another look. Thanks. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:46, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

• I see a lot more work on the references. Thank you for your attention to detail here. --Whiteguru (talk) 00:18, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

 

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