Talk:2017–18 Super League Greece

Can someone add a [c] and write PAOK's point deductions for the games at home with Olympiakos and AEK? 72.49.3.9 (talk) 23:11, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm going to point out for the last time that all revisions made by the user above are malicious and can be easily considered as vandalism. Most of the content published on this article is either copyright-protected or simplistic assumptions by a football fan, whose poor use of English should be flagged. Additionally, there are tons of mistakes, whilst some passages are either poorly written or flawed because of translation problems. I would like to ask someone to intervene and have a look at the article. Glucken123 (talk) 19:19, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

I have reverted because I have found copyvios in the text. Now please talk with the other user to find consensus on text that is also not a copyvio. Thank you. Dr. K. 21:18, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Added the whole truth based on videos and interviews about last season's 2 most important matches decided by court decision

Hello. I am user Abudabanas. I made an edit on this article. Wikipedia was simply writing that Superleague Greece 2017-18 was suspended on 12 March because Savvidis invaded the pitch with his gun. Ok ,Savvidis indeed invaded the pitch but the way it is written is wrong .Someone must truly understand exactly what happened. Was he aiming at someone? Was the gun in his hands? No ,it was on his belt . Why was Savvidis furious? What caused him to invade the pitch? There was a 90th minute goal (added reference with video of the goal from official Superleague Greece TV Partner) where referee and linesman initially credited the goal to PAOK and approximately 4 minutes later (you can watch the video and count the time if you want) they altered their decision. It was a championship decider game and a very important decision of the referee. Should'nt anyone can see that? So ,i made an edit based on video footage from official Superleague TV partner and articles from independent sources (like espn.com) to decsribe exactly what happened .I translated and added the interviews (with references) of people from both teams who spoke after the two games. After PAOK-AEK spoke PAOK goalkeeper Paschalakis and AEK midfielder Kone. Translated ,added references and added exactly what they both said. It was Kone who said "We were asking the referee to tell us inside. Why sould we go out in order to tell us his decision? To play 5 minutes?". I didn' say that. Kone did. I simply translated what he said. It was AEK representative Dimitriadis heard in audio worrying about AEK players safety. It wasn't me on the tape recording. I simply added reference so that anyone can hear. After PAOK-Olympiacos i added Olympiacos communications chief Karapappas statement and afterwards PAOK communications chief Kyriakos statement. Translated, added references and wrote exactly what they said. Added also PAOK manager Lucescu comment to the media for the incident. I know it is annoying for many because he said 'Cowards' but that is what he said. It is also annoying when you are an Olympiacos fan and you read that Olympiacos communications chief Karapappas was insisting that the object that hit Olympiacos manager was a sealed cash register paper roll which is as heavy as a stone. Didn't say that. Karapappas did . I only translated and added a reference with the video of Oscar Garcia injury from official Superleague Greece TV partner (Novasports) where anyone can see that the cash register paper roll was unfolding through the air. If i violated copyrights by adding references from espn.com ,novasports.gr ,sport24.gr i don't know and i apologise if i did. Someone else maybe can add proper references. Added also Olympiacos manager Garcia statement through social media 2 days after the game. Added private clinic statement with medical report on Garcia's condition. Many fans don't want the truth to be unveiled. I wrote down exactly what happened. I wrote nothing based on my personal opinion. I only translated interviews and statements of people from both teams for the article to be 100% fair. Because i knew that truth on what happened last year can be annoying for many, several times on the article i included the words as can be seen in video footage or as can be heard in audio and added the proper references too. Everything i added happened exactly as i wrote it down. Took me several hours to find all the independent sources and videos for the references. Thank youAbudabanas (talk) 08:06, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

@Abudabanas: Can you please comment at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Abudabanas to explain why you use sockpuppets to edit-war in this article and at the Greek wiki article? Thank you. Dr. K. 08:03, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

@Dr.K.: I wrote nothing on Greek wiki article, i made an edit only here. Sockpuppets? Checked on the internet for meaning. No, i never used sockpuppets and as i explained i did not write down my personal opinion. I simply translated everything told by the protagonists.Thank youAbudabanas (talk) 08:57, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Reverted vandalism

First of all thank you Dr. K for reverting the previous vandalism made by the above-mentioned user. It seems that this person's totally unaware of how Wikipedia works and although there are multiple grammatical and structural issues with the article, it lacks depth and appears to be extremely biased. Most of the written part is a medley of simplistic and personal assumptions made by one user who supports a very specific football team and as a clear fan, projects and highlights his own ideas from a very questionable point of view that cannot be accepted on any type of encyclopedia. I'm pretty sure that users who are interested in finding out more about Greek football in 17/18 will experience difficulty and disappointment while checking the previous version of this article which is unreadable, biased and unrealistic. Thanks for reverting it again and please don't allow them to vandalise this page in the future. Football fans from all over the world have the right to edit pages on Wikipedia and include facts based from a neutral point of view, but what previously happened here is a disgrace for Greek Superleague and all the events that have transpired last year. Enough is enough. Glucken123 (talk) 10:41, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

@Glucken123: As i already explained everything i wrote down was not my personal assumptions. I added references with videos from official Superleague TV partner. Translated interviews from people from both teams and wrote down exactly what they said. 4 people spoke in front of the cameras after the 2 games. After PAOK-AEK, PAOK goalkeeper Paschalakis and AEK midfielder Kone. After PAOK-Olympiacos, Olympiacos communications chief Karapappas and PAOK communications chief Kyriakos .Were there my ideas? I think not. Check the videos, check the translations if you want. Never vandalised this page .Simply wrote down exactly what happened and backed it up with videos and references from independent sources . Truth must be shown. Thank you Abudabanas (talk) 10:58, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Accusing someone of lying is a pretty bold thing to do on Wikipedia. Just a reminder that this isn't a soccer forum. Glucken123 (talk) 11:24, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

@Glucken123: You are wright. Wasn't proper and i am not a judge. Deleted related comment. Thank youAbudabanas (talk) 11:47, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Glucken123. Thank you for helping out in this. For the record, Abudabanas mostly adds strong pro-PAOK FC POV, OR, and copyvios to the articles. All this is very bad and the socking is even worse. But I wouldn't call him a vandal. His edits, bad as they are, do not fit the description of WP:VAND. Therefore, reverting them is not covered by the exceptions of WP:3RR. Except if they are copyvios, they are indeed covered as a specific exemption from the 3RR. Dr. K. 03:18, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Apology

I truly apologise if my recent edit led into an edit war for this article. I was accused for using sockpuppets and i honestly deny that. It's not my fault if many PAOK fans defended my edit. Football fans will always defend passionately their team history. As user Glucken123 does. I totally respect that and i wish to Glucken123 good luck in finding the proper co-authors to write a book on Olympiacos history (as can be seen on his user page). I also wish that when their book content reaches the 2017-18 season and PAOK-Olympiacos derby, they will present the whole truth and write down exactly what happened on 25 February 2018 based on facts and not on personal assumptions. I am a PAOK fan and most of my edits are for updating PAOK statistics . Maybe i am a bad editor who needs to study better Wikipedia terms of use but my intention when editing in Wikipedia is to include all the facts (describing exactly what can be seen on videos, presenting the full content of interviews, statements and documents by translating them) and write them down with a neutral point of view . That is what i tried to do here. I certainly didn't want to cause an edit war. There is a great dispute among Greek fans about the incidents that occured on 2017-18 season and it is my personal belief that all the facts concerning the 2 matches (championship deciders) must be presented. Thank you all. Abudabanas (talk) 10:57, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Notes on results table

I suggest that the following notes should be added on the results table for matches PAOK-AEK and PAOK-Olympiacos which were decided by court decision and not on the pitch. PAOK-AEK note: Match suspended at 90th minute. Awarded 0-3 to AEK. PAOK-Olympiacos note: Match suspended before the kick-off. Awarded 0-3 to Olympiacos. Thank you Abudabanas (talk) 08:38, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

I agree. Just don't put any other details to bloat them up. Dr. K. 17:40, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

I also suggest that the phrase 'stormed onto the field with a revolver' should be replaced with 'stormed onto the field with a holstered handgun', because it describes exactly what happened. Anyone who reads the first phrase could make a false assumption that the revolver was in his hands or that he was aiming at someone. Thank you Abudabanas (talk) 14:41, 7 May 2020 (UTC)