Talk:2007 Finnish parliamentary election

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Is it at all possible to have a transalation of the information on the Finnish page available here? --CTerry 16:37, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I expanded the article and added some external links which I think you will find useful.80.222.50.237 10:56, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much, that is very helpful. --CTerry 13:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

This article contains false info. 91.153.54.19 09:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

What kind of false info?80.222.50.237 11:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

For starters, there's no excitement.:-) 91.153.54.19 12:45, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Main page news

"Results of Finland's elections show the governing centre-left coalition of Prime Minister Matti Vanhanen (pictured) likely to retain power with a reduced majority."

This is very unlikely, the centre-right National Coalition got 50 seats and Social Democratic Party 45 seats. Most probably it will be a centre-right government. Or did I misunderstood something? --Pudeo (Talk) 23:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The front page may be jumping to conclusions. I don't think it's known right now who the Centre Party will form a coalition with. Crumbsucker 23:34, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

News on frontpage is inaccurate. Please remove it quickly. Coalition will be centre-right. Nobody knows it yet. National Coalition Party was biggest winner and thats it. --Zzzzzzzzzz 00:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

This is true. Every expert in the news has stated that it is very likely to be a centre-right government, given the huge victory of the conservatives, and the losses of the left. The main page has a major error in it, please fix it quickly.

Keep in mind that left parties still have far more seats than the right parties, so it is entirely up to the centre party as to which (left or right) it will form government with. Sad mouse 20:47, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Failure of proportionality

I removed the requests for cites. This has been discussed under Parliament of Finland, and I shall add relevant cites there.--Rallette 08:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

The article presents this as if it would be a major problem. To most people, I guess it seems logical that you need about the same number of votes to get elected to parliament no matter in which constituency. If Uusimaa and Lappi would elect the same number of MPs there would be a real problem, but as present I cannot see it. It's alright mentioning that it's harder for smaller parties to get candidates from smaller constituencis, but that's the way it is in every country. In countries like the UK, Canada, the US or France it's possible for a party to received 10-15% of the vote without getting a single MP elected. So is there anything special about the Finnish system expect that it's more proportional than most other parties?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.252.88.108 (talk • contribs) 01:05, 22 March 2007

Yes, there is something special about the Finnish system; unlike the examples you mentioned, it is representative of the peoples choice, and does not in general disfranchise voters. The other difference is that Finns demand a higher level of representativity of their electoral system. In the United States it is considered OK if less than 25% of the total electorate is represented by the elected candidates, the rest being "wasted votes" or low turnout. In Finland this would not be accepted, as evident from the controversy caused by the high thresholds in the smaller constituencies. -- Petri Krohn 00:06, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Two "dubious" tags have been added to the paragraph on lack of proportionality. While the fairness or acceptability to some or most people of the present, party-list-centered system may be debatable, it is by no means dubious that the system does favor major parties, as can be easily seen from the results table, and precisely for the reason here given. It is also not dubious that this is officially considered a problem (by the Ministry of Justice and the Finnish Parliament, most notably), violating the Constitutional provision of proportionality, and that no measures have been taken yet to correct the situation. The "dubious" tags thus are not justified and I shall remove them.

The comparison of personal vote totals between Cronberg and candidates elected from other districts is rather less than relevant as it is. It is relevant to the question of perceievd fairness, but irrelevant to the lack of proportionality, as proportionality applies to parties and electoral alliances while the personal vote totals of individual candidates determine merely their ranking within party lists. The problem is that the Greens with a good ten per cent of the vote in Northern Karelia were blocked by the effective threshold.--Rallette 12:40, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Not true

I believe there is a mistake in the text:

Niinistö also set a record for the highest number of personal votes, 60,498, which is almost twice as high as the previous record, and with the application of the d'Hondt method used in Finland, as many as four other National Coalition candidates were elected to Parliament on the strength of these votes.

Now normally I would just correct it but because I am not 100% sure I write it here. I think I remember a women in the 1950's getting around 57.000 personal votes. I don't remember her name but she grew up in the Soviet union but with a Finnish father and mother. She was original a communist, like her father, and ran for SKDL. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.167.41.1 (talk) 10:41, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

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