Talk:2007–08 NBA season

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Hi. Are any maintainers of this page able to tell me when the schedule for the season will be announced. I will be in NYC in November and would like to how far in advance I should buy tickets for games in that area. Thanks.

{{NBA seasons}}

Does anyone think it should look like the horizontal {{NFL seasons}}? --Howard the Duck 15:53, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I think either one looks fine. Chris! _ct 02:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

The vertical one screws up the season standings though. It'll be better if it's horizontal and at the bottom. --Howard the Duck 08:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, then you should make it horizontal. :) Chris! _ct 22:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I changed it already. However, I'd have to change all of the season articles to place the template at the bottom... --Howard the Duck 09:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Kobe Bryant

Should the fact that Kobe Bryant became the youngest player to score 20,000 points be mentioned in the article? I am indifferent about this, really. But since editors have problem with this in the article, I think we should discuss it. Chris! _ct 03:42, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

No, there is nothing historic or even that relevant about it. It is solely based upon beginning play in the NBA out of high school. It is not a notable event in history. It is not an official NBA record, and for that obvious reason; that "youngest" is meaningless when it is applied to sport. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hypebuster (talk • contribs) 05:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

We will keep this in the article since the only editor who oppose is User:Hypebuster, who is suspected to be a sock of long time abuser User:TyrusThomas4lyf.Chris! _ct 04:29, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Dates

Please remember the dates are always one game behind. For example, when all the have been played on Jan. 3, 2008, dont change the date to Jan. 4, 2008. Wait until all the other games have been played the next day then change the date to Jan. 4, 2008. Thank You. (Carlo_ms06 _ct 07:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

There is really no need to wait till all the games to finish before changing the date. When the date changes, we can change the date regardless of whether the games have been played. But this is not even a big issue anyway, the team standing and date are always changing and updating. Anyway, I will not change it again. Chris! _ct 06:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I have thought about this. It doesn't make sense that we change the dates until all the games are finished. The article should read the current day, not the previous day. Chris! _ct 03:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

People will be able to see the current standings as of yesterday, so they won't be confused. Its not the day that brings concern. it the day that the games have been played. That's why there is a schedule! Just accept the the fact that the schdule sets the dates and days of the games. (Carlo_ms06 _ct 07:50, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

No, the standing is not as of yesterday because it is updating constantly. It is because of this nature, that people won't get confused because they know that the standing is constantly updating. This is a simple logic, I am sure that people can understand that.Chris! _ct 04:00, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

This issue wasn't supposed to be big, but your ignorance has made it so. The standings refer depends upon the schdules, whether there are games or not the dates must stay the same because that was the time when the games were played. (Carlo_ms06 _ct 07:50, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I do not know what you mean by schedule. All I know is that we follow the standing on NBA.com. According to their official standing, the date they used is the current date, not the previous one. Regarding your WP:3RR violation, I have reported you through Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR. Chris! _ct 05:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Column vs Rows

How so does it mess up the content?

Sometimes somethings (talk) 20:58, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, the content shows some equal signs somehow when you change it to column arrangement. I don't have a problem with columns, but please fix the problem when you edit. Try use the preview function before saving. Thanks. Chris! _ct 20:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, on my browser, Minnesota doesn't go to 2 lines. Chris! _ct 21:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, the equal signs was a mistake, I was fixing it when you reverted to rows. Minnesota and the LA teams (among others) only go to two lines when I am using some machines, but it is really annoying. I was using preview, but I was only editing that section so the preview did not show the results for the whole article and that is why I didn't notice the equals signs until it was saved. If you don't like how it looks after my next edit, let's discuss it before you revert, thanks.

Sometimes somethings (talk) 21:04, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, you are welcomed to change in to column. But it would be better next time if you can discuss before making a significant edit that would change the layout of the page. Chris! _ct 21:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I kinda like this one better. Just change GW and GL to W and L. --Howard the Duck 08:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorta related: How about a conference table like what Y!Sports does? --Howard the Duck 12:54, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Is it necessary? I mean it is kinda redundant. Chris! _ct 20:37, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

It can be useful for having a playoff picture since the playoff seeds are ultimately made via conference standings, the division standings only matter for the division winners. We can just use the short form name (instead of "Dallas Mavericks", use "Dallas".) --Howard the Duck 04:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok Chris! _ct 21:01, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I made a standing. You are welcomed to changes or correct anything.Chris! _ct 22:18, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, that's too much, I'll edit it to include only the GB number since it will really become redundant. --Howard the Duck 13:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Any chance that the CONFERENCE Standings and the DIVISIONAL standigns can be made into TWO separate sub-headings? They way it looks now is slightly confusing and doesn't quite fit correctly. --Qazox (talk) 04:03, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Standings

They now look screwed-up on FF. --Howard the Duck 05:16, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Two sub .500 teams in East playoffs

Is there any historical significance to there being two sub .500 teams in the Eastern Conference playoffs this year? --Son (talk) 22:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Pat Riley stepping down

I really don't think that Pat Riley stepping down as the coach of the Miami Heat is very notable. I think we're all forgetting what "notable" really means. Considering all the bad teams in the East and all the coaches who got fired, Riley is just one of the coaches (even if he's the team president) that really just had to go. So his stepping down really isn't different from Larry Krystowiak and Sam Vincent getting fired. Its just another plain move during the season. If Riley won maybe about 3-4 titles over the last 9 years, maybe his stepping down would be more notable. Just like Phil Jackson stepping down at the end of a dynasty. I'll remove it for now, if anyone has a complaint share a good reason why his stepping down is very notable.

Carlo ms06 (talk) 22:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Why would you think this event is not notable? Riley is one of the top 10 coaches in NBA History. And shortly before he stepped down, he was inducted to the Basketball Hall of Fame. Also before he stepped down, he led his team to one of the worst record. So looking from this perspective, of course his stepping down is notable. And his stepping down is very different from Sam Vincent. Sam Vincent is not as well known as Riley.

And BTW. You don't remove stuff before discussion. You should remove stuff after a discussion is done. —Chris! _ct 23:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I respect Riley as one of the top coaches in NBA history, but that is not what we're talking about. If you look at why he was considered one of the top coaches in history, it was because of his championships with the Lakers during the 1980's-90's. He was joined in that category during the NBA at 50 celebration. Anyway, you said he led his team to one of the worst records in history and he still got in the hall of fame? Not a good point. Considering all the past records he has done, it really doesn't make sense. Tell me one great thing he has done this season for his stepping down as coach be really memorable. If you name one legendary thing he did this season for him to be remembered, then I will agree to keep it.

Carlo ms06 (talk) 00:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

It just doesn't make sense for me to search for a great thing he done this season just to prove that his departure is notable. His status as top coaches in the league already made his departure notable. (not to mention his team's disappointing season) If you still disagree, then I guess we will just have to wait for others to weigh in. —Chris! _ct 01:02, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

User:Carlo ms06, I think you're misreading notability and ignoring WP:NPOV. Pat Riley resigning as head coach of the basketball team he took to a title just a few years ago is notable. Secondly, and more the reason why it's notable is because of the man himself, not the circumstances of which his resignation was. He's a hall of fame coach. If you had an article on boxing from the year Muhammad Ali retired, you wouldn't mention it because he was old and washed up? --Son (talk) 00:06, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Winning that championship in 2006 is very notable for him but we're no talking about that. Please read what I'am saying User:Son, I said "him stepping down is not notable." I didn't say he is not notable. Pat Riley is a great man. What he's done during the 80's with the Lakers was one of the best achievements in NBA history. But do you think it would be good to remind people that he left the job that he loves the most with the worst record in the 2007-08 season and make it be notable? Might as well put a coach who stepped down with a 1-100 coaching record in the NBA in the notable occurences.

Carlo ms06 (talk) 22:35, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

That's actually my point, Carlo ms06. Because of his achievements in NBA history, his stepping down is notable. A coach with a 1-100 record would not be notable, unless that coach has a history of winning championships. Avery Johnson being fired is not notable. He is neither a championship coach nor a hall of fame coach. And "remind[ing] people that he left the job he loves" is not what the purpose of the encyclopedia is for. The point of the encyclopedia is to tell people about noteworthy persons, places, things, events, ideas, etc.. The resignation of a hall of fame, championship winning basketball coach is notable. It doesn't matter what his record was this past season. If he resigned after winning the championship several years ago it would have been noteworthy, just as much as it would have been if they made the first round of the playoffs, lost, and then he resigned. --Son (talk) 07:49, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

It's notable for the sole reason of Riley's achievements in the past. --Howard the Duck 06:49, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

We're talking about what he's done with the team, not the past. This is the present bro, unless you don't know.

Carlo ms06 (talk) 06:59, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

What he is today is because of what he did during the past. --Howard the Duck 14:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

So your saying his 6 championships in the past gave him the worst record in the 2007-08 NBA season? I don't think so.

Carlo ms06 (talk) 17:58, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

No. I'm saying his "feat" is notable since he is a multiple-titled coach. If it were Avery Johnson it doesn't matter since he didn't win anything as a coach, much less multiple titles.

You know what, just quit it. Consensus is against you anyway; if you really insist try WP:RFC. --Howard the Duck 23:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I won't quit cause all your reasons are bogus as well. You go to the past to protect this event, but basically we are talking about what Riley has done during the 2007-08 season. Unless you guy don't give a good reason to keep this event, I won't stop arguing.

Carlo ms06 (talk) 20:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Bogus? What we have been saying is not bogus. Because Riley's status as a championship coach and a hall of fame coach, his departure is therefore notable. And because his departure is notable, we should keep this here. I can't imagine how you can possibly argue against that. —Chris! _ct 20:51, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:NPOV, WP:NOTE. Enough said. And while I'm at it, here's several other points of notice. WP:DICK, WP:CIVIL, and WP:POINT. --Son (talk) 21:47, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Keep on going. You guys are accusing me of nothing. All I'm trying to do is defend my point. You guys aren't, so basically I win. You guys keep on putting rules I have to abide by. So what? I'm sticking to my arguement. Give me a good reason why we should keep this event! Don't change the subject people.

Carlo ms06 (talk) 02:49, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

We are not defending our point? We have done it over and over again. Feel free to stick to your own opinion, just don't go against consensus. I strongly suggest you to learn about what consensus is if you have trouble understanding it. —Chris! _ct 03:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

RFC

I suggest Carlo ms06 go through WP:RFC since consensus is obviously against him. It doesn't matter if you're right, what matters is if other people think you're right. --Howard the Duck 16:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

From that user's point of view, yes, I'd suggest WP:RFC also. However, there is one official policy, and one major guideline, of Wikipedia (WP:NOTE and WP:NPOV) which are the reasons why the resignation of Pat Riley (and any other coach who resigned or was fired, for that matter) should be included.

On that note, I think it would be wise to add a section that is for coaching changes (hirings and firings/resignations) made during a season. There are numerous sources which has something on every coach who was hired or fired this season. NBC Sports, ESPN, Fox Sports, Sporting News, Sports Illustrated, to name a few. --Son (talk) 20:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

That actually is a good idea. I would support that if it did occur. --Carlo ms06 (talk) 23:36, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

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