Portal talk:Clothing/Selected picture

Selected picture discussion moved from main portal talk page

So far these are rough notes, obviously. Durova^Charge! 05:12, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Cirt, could you list the images already in rotation in a separate gallery below this one? It'd be helpful to have them ready for reference. I've added some better descriptions and replaced an image with the restored version. Durova^Charge! 23:29, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure, shouldn't be too hard to do that. Cirt (talk) 23:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Adding images

The Sackville portrait should be a good Featured Picture candidate. If you nominate it, be sure to note that the inscription mis-identifies the sitter (it's in the description in the commons). - PKM (talk) 06:04, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I've added some more images for consideration. - PKM (talk) 07:10, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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  This embroidery panel, probably a chair back, was worked by Mehitable Starkey of Boston in wool yarn and silk threads on linen about 1760.
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  World War I poster encouraging people to knit socks for the troops on the front lines. Men who were unable to serve in the military helped with knitting drives in wartime. Used at History of knitting.

Changing the caption for the World War I poster. Durova^Charge! 18:29, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

The chair back has a problem with glass reflection from the display case. Beautiful embroidery, but not a good choice for a featured portal drive. Durova^Charge! 06:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Images used at Portal:Textile Arts/Selected picture

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  Currently a featured picture
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  Bayeux tapestry PKM added this better resolution photo
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  as an example of bobbin lace
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  Oriental rug manufacture in Algiers, Algeria. Photochrom print, 1899.
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  A beater pressing weft yarns into place. Woodblock print by Yanagawa Shigenobu, 1825-1832.
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  The Felbrigge Psalter - fixed so not redundant w/ WP:DYK image used in a different set of 3 hooks. Featured.
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  Example of Needlework.
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  1905 photochrom print of an Irish spinning wheel. Featured picture
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  Navajo family with weaving loom, 1873 - appears in Navajo rug (restoration complete; at FPC)
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  Embroidery on a kimono, woodblock print by Utagawa Kuniyoshi (1798 - 1861).
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  From History of quilting a 1940 Kodachrome photograph of Mrs. Bill Stagg of Pie Town, New Mexico displaying her embroidered and patchwork quilt in front of her log cabin home. Featured picture.
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  The dense floral Jacobean embroidery worn by Edward Sackville, 4th Earl of Dorset is set off by a stiff collar and cuffs of reticella, a form of cutwork lace.
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  Art needlework is a style of embroidery championed by William Morris in the nineteenth century. It featured surface embroidery, often in satin stitch, worked in soft natural colors.
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  Blocks for woodblock printing on textiles are often far from square, as shown in this 1873 design by William Morris for Morris and Company.
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  A mola is a layered textile made using a reverse appliqué technique by peoples of the San Blas Islands of Panama. This mola by Venancio Restrepo is based on the Kuna flag.
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  Blackwork embroidery was popular in England during the Tudor dynasty, as shown by this elaborate example in a portrait of Elzabeth I. (Updated with new, better image - PKM)
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  In this image from History of clothing and textiles, Queen Nefertari is dressed in the sheer pleated linen worn by the upper classes in Ancient Egypt.
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  This young man of the Chigi family wears a dense floral needlelace collar of gros point de Venise, which was popular in the mid-17th century.
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  Example of Needle lace.
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  Example of Loom.
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  Madame de Pompadour is portrayed by François-Hubert Drouais working embroidery with a tambour hook and floor-standing embroidery frame.
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  Example of Yarn
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  This detail from the 15th century Triumph of Minerva, a fresco by Francesco del Cossa, shows women embroidering and weaving on a loom.
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  natural dyes
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  Pigments for sale on market stall, Goa, India.

The Navajo image restoration is complete (what a time sink - the rest of you probably can't even see the difference). Durova^Charge! 22:14, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

The improvements are quite obvious on the full-resolution versions; nice work. - PKM (talk) 02:38, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Do you mind if I object to one pic? Call me shallow - I can't bear to look at that heavily pockmarked face of the man embroidering. That shot also has a distracting background. I think we can do better. Durova^Charge! 07:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I actually like that one, it shows somebody doing something, and it has a relevant associated article. Cirt (talk) 18:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

If it works for you then go for it. Durova^Charge! 06:15, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Blackwork

I don't want to mess with your gallery, but I don't think the Henry VIII is blackwork at all; I think it's couched cord on silk. Either of these would be a better example. - PKM (talk) 04:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Not a problem, thanks for the help. Good images; I only wish they were larger. Maybe I'll snoop around LoC and see if they've got a larger file. Durova^Charge! 04:53, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I am sure I have both of those in hardcopy (and tons more besides - Elizabethan clothes are my passion). I'll try to scan larger images this weekend, and see if I have any others that would be better. - PKM (talk) 05:15, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

That would be wonderful. If they're at least 1000 pixels on a side they might be candidates for featured picture after restoration. We're weak on the article side, going for featured portal, so I'm hoping a strong set of images will help compensate. Durova^Charge! 06:20, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Ugh, having computer issues today (can't see images in Wikipedia at the moment). I don't seem to have the Mary Cornwallis in color, alas, but I do have Lady Kytson - not very large but let me see what I can do. Also have some John Bettes portraits of Elizabeth I in blackwork. We might want to use the detail of Jane Seymour's sleeve as well (added below). I can definitely do some hi-res scans of portraits showing needlework. There are already categories in the Commons for blackwork embroidery and Jacobean embroidery, and I can tag lots more images and do some detail work over time. - PKM (talk) 18:13, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh and PS, in her book Blackwork Mary Gostelow describes that image of Henry VIII as having blackwork on his doublet (she calls it a bodice). I think she is mistaken; it looks nothing like blackwork in color. But there's published reference for it.... PKM (talk) 18:15, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I've uploaded a larger image of Lady Kyston. Mine was too small to scan to the size you're looking for, but this one is largerv than what we had (replaced in gallery below). - PKM (talk) 05:39, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Added an image of Elizabeth as an option. - PKM (talk) 07:26, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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  Blackwork embroidery was popular in England during the Elizabethan era, as shown by this elaborate example in a portrait of Mary Cornwallis by George Gower
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  Blackwork embroidery was popular in England during the Elizabethan era, as shown by this elaborate example in a portrait of Lady Kytson by George Gower
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  Blackwork embroidery was popular in England during the Tudor era, as shown by this detail of a cuff in a portrait of Jane Seymour by Hans Holbein the Younger
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  Blackwork embroidery was popular in England during the Elizabethan era. Here Queen Elizabeth I wears blackwork sleeves with a sheer linen overlayer and a fine cutwork ruff.

I've replaced the Mary Cornwallis in rotation with this newly scanned portrait of Elizabeth I, which is much higher res. - PKM (talk) 21:01, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Commons pics that might be useful

These aren't necessarily used in articles yet, but might be good for the rotation. Durova^Charge! 07:45, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

These are great! How many images should we put in rotation? - PKM (talk) 18:12, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Cirt said we could use a lot. Would you help find placement for these in articles? Durova^Charge! 18:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

One is done, moved to below. - PKM (talk) 02:53, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

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  "Lydia at the Tapestry Loom" by Mary Cassatt, c. 1881

Note on suggesting new images

It would be helpful, when suggesting new images, if you could suggest an article to go along with it/be bolded/highlighted/use text from the article's lede, etc. (See the way I did the text to go along w/ the other selected pictures.) Cirt (talk) 18:51, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

And preferably, an article that hasn't been bolded/highlighted w/ one of the other selected images. Cirt (talk) 18:52, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

New suggestions

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  Since the Middle Ages, woollen cloth has been fulled in fulling mills where the cloth was beaten with wooden hammers operated by cams on the shaft of a waterwheel.
• Spinning fiber to make yarn using a distaff and drop spindle is a craft that remained essentially unchanged from the Neolithic to the nineteenth century. "The Spinner" (1873) by William-Adolphe Bouguereau (1825-1905).
  Spinning fiber to make yarn using a distaff and drop spindle is a craft that remained essentially unchanged from the Neolithic to the nineteenth century. "The Spinner" (1873) by William-Adolphe Bouguereau (1825-1905).
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  Henry VIII of England, flanked by his third wife Jane Seymour and their son, the future Edward VI, is seated on a throne beneath a tapestry baldachin or cloth of state woven with Henry's monogram and coat of arms.
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  Mrs. Charles Willing of Philadelphia was painted by Robert Feke in 1746 wearing a gown of imported Spitalfields silk brocade designed in 1743 by English textile designer Anna Maria Garthwaite.
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  The Saw Mill, a tapestry designed by textile artist Kåre Jonsborg (1912-1977) and woven by Else Halling in the early 1950s, hangs in the Town Hall of Oslo, Norway.

Added fulling mill - PKM (talk) 00:27, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Expanded the history section of spinning (textiles) and added the Bouguereau as new lead image - PKM (talk) 02:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Reply

Okay nice, thanks, I'll get on adding these. After I add these 2, 2 more will make a nice even 30. Cirt (talk) 04:39, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Another

The enthroned Henry VIII is a new picture. I did not add it to the article baldachin since that is fairly image-rich. I added it to tapestry (another article that needs lots of work). - PKM (talk) 19:55, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

 Done, added the 3 above, plus another WP:FP. Cirt (talk) 01:03, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Garthwaite silk

The portrait of Mrs Willing in a Garthwaite silk is new in the commons. I've started a stub Anna Maria Garthwaite but it's a long way from full enough to add to our bios. Anyway it would be nice to have something from the 18th century and from Colonial America in our portal. Shall we add this? - PKM (talk) 18:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

 Done. Cirt (talk) 20:50, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Jonsborg tapestry

I stumbled across this, and I really like the tapestry. This would broaden our selected images to include mid-20th century and Scandinavian work, but the caption might need a bit of tweaking - thoughts? - PKM (talk) 03:19, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

 Done. Cirt (talk) 12:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Content fork

Starting with this edit by UnitedStatesian which introduced a spelling error, and followed by this recreation of the incorrectly moved page, there has been what is essentially a content fork between the two sets of subpages. Thanks to Eschoryii for pointing this out. I'm afraid some complicated moving-with-hist-merges may be required to put things right. The older fork (with the mispelling) has 12 subpages, including a layout page, while the new fork has 31 subpages, but no layout page. It appears that some of the subpages have the same image and other content. Perhaps this was part of an intentional cleanup of the portal, but it looks like that cleanup needs to be finished by someone who can delete pages and do history merges where found to be needed.

If it would be helpful for me to do legwork and provide a more detailed list of what needs moving and what needs merging, I'll be happy to help; just say the word, but I assume you'd want to verify and not just go ahead on my sayso, so it would not save much time. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:15, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

I am trying to deal with this, but am being somewhat slowed down by frustrating browser problems. I am not at all sure why Northamerica1000 dealt with the error in the page title by creating a new page, rather than by moving the old one. I have moved the original page from "Cothing" to "Clothing", and am investigating the subpages. I think that for the main page history merging won't be needed, as the history of the new one does not contain anything that vitally needs to be kept. I shall look at the subpages to see what needs to be done there, but delays caused by browser problems mean that I am running out of time, so I may have to come back later to finish the task. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:43, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I have changed my mind and history merged the two pages after all, and the editors who work on this portal can decide which of the versions to keep as current. I have also moved all the "Cothing" subpages which are not just redirects and which do not have titles which clash with "Clothing" subpages. I am not sure that anything else needs to be done. If anything does, and needs administrative rights, please feel welcome to let me know, and I'll look into it. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:15, 19 August 2019 (UTC)